First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Manifestations have a penchant for using the words I, me, my, mine, we, us, our, ours, and other such pronouns. Three possible interpretations are possible from the above. 1. The Manifestation means is referring to God. 2. The Manifestation is referring to the

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the link at the bottom, the author singles there out as referring to Baha'u'llah rather than God, or a abstract Manifestation. I would simply disagree with the author. Those passages refer to God, not Baha'u'llah.

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Hasan Elías
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi, It is better to recognize God (through Bahá'u'lláh), but we should not force anybody. Where Bahá'u'lláh says that everybody must become bahá'í? Hasan I have seen Baha'i blogs where a sense 3 usage of Baha'ullah's writings combined with promoting independent

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Technically, it depends on the use of pronoun tense (1, 2, or 3). He makes lots of use of vague pronouns which leaves a window of interpretation. Baha'i bloggers use sense 3 a lot like I've noted earlier. In reference to Baha'u'llah, a blogger (I forget which

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Those were the only instances I could remember at the time, but this is about all instances of pronouns being interpreted in any given sense. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2013, at 14:46, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the link

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Hasan Elías
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi Stephen, I never read a bahá'í writing that suggests that everybody must became bahá'í. As a bahá'í I believe that in the distant future the majority of the world (perhaps near 95%) will be bahá'í. The writings suggest that people will embrace the Faith by choice

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv They are entitled to their interpretation. But of course no matter how prominent an individual may be, their statements are never authoritative. Personally, I believe that however important it is to accept the Messenger, it is the Message that can not be rejected

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv There's no precedent in the history of religious demographics for one religion to dominate the whole world. People don't just convert to a religion because it's good. When people decide on what religion they want to be, they just do go and say Do I want to be a

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What exactly is the believer versus non-believer divide? Technically, only secularists are non-believers, but people use the term to describe people who believe different than oneself rather than people who don't believe. People don't live in an abstract world where

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Those were the only instances I could remember at the time, but this is about all instances of pronouns being interpreted in any given sense. You realize that only Abdu'l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi have the right to make authoritative interpretations?

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, I know that. Have any authoritative interpretations on this been translated into English? Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2013, at 17:53, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Those were the only instances I could remember at the

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Not to my knowledge. Everything else should be regarded as personal opinion therefore, and we can't make doctrinal judgements as to whether everyone has to become a Baha'i on the basis of that. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com

Re: First Person Grammar

2013-02-10 Thread Gary Selchert
The Baha'i Studies Listserv We should be clear about what has actually been said: ‘Abdu’l-Bahá says in Promulgation of Universal Peace, pp. 429-430: “… my purpose isto warn and strengthen you against accusations, criticisms, revilings, andderision in newspaper articles or other publications.