My understanding is that the TihrAn LSA was elected by a two tier system
from its inception which I think was during `Abdu'l-Baha's lifetime. The
beloved Guardian Shoghi Effendi continued the practice.
The National Spiritual Assembly of Persia was first formed/elected in
1934. Prior to that da
"Uninformed voting is meaningless"
Dear Marleen,
I agree that uninformed voting is meaningless. But how does the decision and
rationale of the Assembly as a whole inform one of whether the individual
members possess the qualities the Guardian enumerated? It seems to me we are
likely to get a bett
There is no "politicking" involved when you don't know how individuals
voted. Uninformed voting is meaningless; we might as well draw names
out of a hat or throw darts at the membership list. Knowing the
functioning level of an assembly can suggest that perhaps the assembly
would be better o
"It doesn't matter who votes for what; that wasn't my point. Just
letting the community know of the actual actions and decisions of the
assembly and their bases could reveal volumes about the quality of the
members as a whole."
Dear Marleen,
But we vote for nine individual members, not the Assem
It doesn't matter who votes for what; that wasn't my point. Just
letting the community know of the actual actions and decisions of the
assembly and their bases could reveal volumes about the quality of the
members as a whole.
Susan Maneck wrote:
" More openness about assembly actions and de
" More openness about assembly actions and decisions so that voters could
be informed. (Didn't Shoghi Effendi say something to the effect that the
Faith has no secrets?)"
Dear Marleen,
While Baha'i institutions are certainly encouarged to take the friends into
their confidence this is for the pu
Overtly, yes. Covertly, no. Assembly membership functions as de facto
nomination and some assembly members in some communities have been warned by
National for self-promotion that borders on campaigning.
Dear Marleen,
The fact that incumbancy functions as de facto nomination does not mean we
ha
Scott Saylors wrote:
The lack of transparency and accountability in some
communities isn't encouraging.
When I vote, I may be ignorant of the
qualities of some individuals on the list, that's not my fault, nor the
individual's fault n or the fault of t
ion of the original Tihran Assembly during
the time of Abdu'l-Baha and took that as the model. I'm not even sure there
were Hands of the Cause when the Guardian established a two-tier system and
it certainly had nothing to do with them. As I understand it the two-tiers
refer to the election
M Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scott Saylors wrote: M Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So in communities that have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly member!
s to be
elected delegates who w
Susan, I hope you are right. That's how Seattle supposedly has set up
its cluster feasts.
Susan Maneck wrote:
"I was thinking in smaller terms,
such as a US city that has 5-6 feasts with at least one assembly member
at each by the mandate of the assembly."
Dear Marleen,
I can't see it worki
"So, Dr. Maneck, can you see how I got my questions?"
Dear Ron,
Yeah, now I see it. You garbled together two very different things. The
House referred to the two-tier system that the Guardian set up and you
instead went back to the formation of the original Tihran Assembly during
t
"I was thinking in smaller terms,
such as a US city that has 5-6 feasts with at least one assembly member
at each by the mandate of the assembly."
Dear Marleen,
I can't see it working that way. In Tihran each neighborhood had a Feast
which was chaired by someone appointed by the Assembly. I don't
Hello Dr. Maneck,
You wrote """> Huh? Where are you getting this from? I think the
system that the House is
> referring to is one where larger communities are divided into Feast areas
> and Feast areas in turn elected delegates who elect the LSA.
In response to my questions:
Ron (myself) asked:
I don't know how it worked in Iran. I was thinking in smaller terms,
such as a US city that has 5-6 feasts with at least one assembly member
at each by the mandate of the assembly. Thanks for the additional
information. Marleen
Susan Maneck wrote:
"So in communities that have neighborhood
" I don't know. I thought the House's letter last month made reference to
one delegate from each feast, but I am not sure without seeing the letter in
front of me."
Dear Marleen,
That may be, but I can't see it happening in areas with only a few Feast
sectors. I'm not even sure that LA or Toron
"So in communities that have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended
by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly
members to be elected delegates who will in turn re-elect themselves to
the assembly."
Dear Marleen,
That's not the way it worked in Iran. The NSA may n
Scott Saylors wrote:
M Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So in communities that
have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended
by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly
members to be elected delegates who will in turn re-elect
M Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:So in communities that have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly members to be elected delegates who will in turn re-elect themselves to the assembly. As it is now in some loca
So in communities that have neighborhood or sector feasts, each attended
by at least one assembly member, we can probably expect those assembly
members to be elected delegates who will in turn re-elect themselves to
the assembly. As it is now in some local communities (like the US NSA)
assembl
"As I read this, the election of Spiritual Assemblies, and the
subsequent election of National Assemblies and the Universal House of
Justice, will all be held with either appointed leaders or previously
elected leaders, as the electorate, holding an election to pick
future Spiritual Assemblies, wh
Does this mean that in the future, rank and file Baha'is will have no
vote? As I read this, the election of Spiritual Assemblies, and the
subsequent election of National Assemblies and the Universal House of
Justice, will all be held with either appointed leaders or previously
elected leaders, as t
Susan, it is on the USBNC site.
Peace,
Simeon
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