Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)

2013-02-27 Thread Stephen Gray
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahelanthropus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrorin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardipithecus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyanthropus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranthropus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo

That's applying human to liberally. What measure is a non-human is a 
philosophical question, but it's a pun or a play on words to say only genus 
Homo are humans rather than including the prior six listed geni (or genuses?) 
as well. It's also a huge gap to say australophithecus and homo are humans 
while ignoring the geni (or genuses) in between. The list of human evolution 
fossils is a list of  fossils, their species (and genus), their period, and 
their location.

Periods include: Miocene, Piocene, Pleistocene, and Holocene. Pleistocene is 
Paloelithic and Holocene is both Mesolithic and Neolithic. 


Sahelanthropus is Miocene period.
Orrorin is Miocene period.
Aridipithecus is Piocene period.
Australopithecus is Piocene period.
Kenyanthropus is Piocene period.
Paranthropus is Pleistocene period.
Homo is Pleistocene period.




 From: Hasan Elías hasanel...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)
 

 
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There is no authoritative statement about this. My GUESS is that all homo were 
capable of receiving a Prophet. Also Autstrolophitecus afarensis because they 
were not mere animals.

Hasan



 De: Stephen Kent Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
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Enviado: Miércoles, 20 de febrero, 2013 4:32 P.M.
Asunto: Humans (Homo genus, Homo sapiens sapiens and other subspecies)
 

 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_humans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_antecessor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rhodesiensis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

Homo sapiens sapiens (Humans as we know them today)
Other subspecies
Homo sapiens idaltu
Homo sapiens antecessor
Homo sapiens heidelbergensis
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens rhodesiensis 

So should subspecies or species nomeclature be used? Why?

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Paraclete

2013-02-27 Thread Stephen Gray
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Forgot to add a subject line. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete

pErIklYtOs translates into Ahmad in Arabic (Aramaic, Hebrew, etc.), but 
pArAklEtOs doesn't. This has ramifications for whether or not Jesus predicted 
Muhammad ass the various Muslim authors below claim. P-R-K-L-T-S is the 
shared consonants in them. Greek as a language has letters for vowels, 
because it is an alphabet based rather than abjad based language. 


Many Muslim writers have argued that “another Paraclete” (John 14:16)—the first 
being Jesus—refers to Muhammad. The earliest scholar is probably Ibn Ishaq 
(died 767), who Islamic tradition states was the grandson of a Christian.[16] 
Others who interpreted the paraclete as a reference to Muhammad include Ibn 
Taymiyyah, Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, Rahmatullah Kairanawi (1818-1891), and 
contemporary Muslim scholars such as Martin Lings.[17][18] A few Muslim 
commentators, such as David Benjamin Keldani (1928), have argued that the 
original Greek word used was periklytos, meaning famed, illustrious, or 
praiseworthy, rendered in Arabic as Ahmad, and that this was substituted by 
Christians with parakletos.[19][20]


1. ^ Page 50 As early as Ibn Ishaq (85-151 AH) the biographer of 
Muhammad, the 
Muslims identified the Paraclete - referred to in John's ... to give 
his followers another Paraclete that may be with them forever is none 
other than Muhammad.
2. ^ Al-Masāq: studia arabo-islamica mediterranea: Volumes 9 à 10 
;Volume 9 University of Leeds. Dept. of Modern Arabic Studies, Taylor  Francis 
- 1997 
Many Muslim writers, including Ibn Hazm, al-Taban,al-Qurtubi, and Ibn 
Taymiyya, have identified the Paraclete with Muhammad. Probably the 
first to do so was the his biographer Ibn Ishaq in the mid eighth 
century.
3. ^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/217806/-The-Promised-Prophet-of-the-Bible
4. ^ Isa, Encyclopedia of Islam
5. ^ Watt (1991) pp. 33–34





 From: Stephen Gray skg_z...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:37 PM
Subject: 
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete

pErIklYtOs translates into Ahmad in Arabic (Aramaic, Hebrew, etc.), but 
pArAklEtOs doesn't. This has ramifications for whether or not Jesus predicted 
Muhammad ass the various Muslim authors below claim. P-R-K-L-T-S is the shared 
consonants in them. Greek as a language has letters for vowels, because it is 
an alphabet based rather than abjad based language. 


Many Muslim writers have argued that “another Paraclete” (John 14:16)—the first 
being Jesus—refers to Muhammad. The earliest scholar is probably Ibn Ishaq 
(died 767), who Islamic tradition states was the grandson of a Christian.[16] 
Others who interpreted the paraclete as a reference to Muhammad include Ibn 
Taymiyyah, Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, Rahmatullah Kairanawi (1818-1891), and 
contemporary Muslim scholars such as Martin Lings.[17][18] A few Muslim 
commentators, such as David Benjamin Keldani (1928), have argued that the 
original Greek word used was periklytos, meaning famed, illustrious, or 
praiseworthy, rendered in Arabic as Ahmad, and that this was substituted by 
Christians with parakletos.[19][20]


1. ^ Page 50 As early as Ibn Ishaq (85-151 AH) the biographer of 
Muhammad, the 
Muslims identified the Paraclete - referred to in John's ... to give 
his followers another Paraclete that may be with them forever is none 
other than Muhammad.
2. ^ Al-Masāq: studia arabo-islamica mediterranea: Volumes 9 à 10 
;Volume 9 University of Leeds. Dept. of Modern Arabic Studies, Taylor  Francis 
- 1997 
Many Muslim writers, including Ibn Hazm, al-Taban,al-Qurtubi, and Ibn 
Taymiyya, have identified the Paraclete with Muhammad. Probably the 
first to do so was the his biographer Ibn Ishaq in the mid eighth 
century.
3. ^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/217806/-The-Promised-Prophet-of-the-Bible
4. ^ Isa, Encyclopedia of Islam
5. ^ Watt (1991) pp. 33–34
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