Re: Fundamentalism and Liberalism

2003-07-27 Thread Susan Maneck
What you seem to be implying is that if fundamentalists would 'grow up', they would become liberals. I think there is a fair amount of research that bears on this issue. As people grow up, mature in their experience and thinking, they tend to become more conservative and relativistic. Dear

Re: Baha'i courtship

2003-07-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Susan, aren't Baha'i studies essentially about the dialogue between contemporary society and the Baha'i teachings?. Dear Owen, That is not the purpose of this list. As our guidelines state: The purpose of this list is to promote scholarship, in particular academic scholarship, on the Baha'i

Re: Declaration of Baha'u'llah

2003-07-28 Thread Susan Maneck
I'm just wondering if historians have got any further in penetrating the obscurity since Shoghi Effendi wrote. Dear David, Ismael Velasco wrote a very nice post on the current stage of scholarship on this topic entitled Reconstructing Ridvan a few years ago. Unfortunately it is on my other

List Guidelines

2003-07-28 Thread Susan Maneck
Susan, I hadn't seen those guidelines. Owen It doesn't hurt to post them. Usually they are sent out when someone subscribes: *List Guidelines* 1. Consultation, tolerance, and courtesy are encouraged. All list members have a right to be treated respectfully, regardless of their level of

Re: Last names

2003-08-05 Thread Susan Maneck
I'm just wondering if there is anything in the Faith, like perhaps a letter, bearing on the issue of what name to take when one marries. Not to my knowledge, nor do I think there should be. This is a purely cultural issue. Most women in most cultures keep their surnames after they marry.

Re: Anything new on the House and women question?

2003-08-06 Thread Susan Maneck
I suppose it would be poetic justice if males were to be exempted/excluded from service on the Baha'i world's future Executive Body. And there is support in the reported sayings of 'Abdu'l-Baha for the superiority of women in governing. Just a thought. Dear Vaughn, I think it was once

Re: Help finding a quote

2003-08-08 Thread Susan Maneck
As I said, I cannot remember the wording specific enough as to whether it was adoption or raising children. The reason this so stuck in my mind was that it seemed to permit two people of the same sex to raise children together. Dear Marlene, Mothers and grandmothers do this together

Re: Source of paragraph

2003-08-09 Thread Susan Maneck
Thanks. Does that mean it has the same status as a pilgrim note? Yes. Baha'i Scriptures included Pilgrim's Notes which is why Shoghi Effendi did not wholly approve of the volume. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a

Re: Self-praise

2003-08-14 Thread Susan Maneck
Self-praise is seen as a bad thing in the Baha'i Faith. We are to praise others, but not ourselves. Dear David, I think before we can have much of a discussion of this issue we need to look at the Writings involved. What is your assertion above based on? warmest, Susan -- You are

Re: Mary in Rome?

2003-08-14 Thread Susan Maneck
From comments you make later evidently you find some of this stuff quite reliable historically. Dear David, It may or may not be. My point is simply that 'Abdu'l-Baha doesn't pick this kind of thing out of the air. I'm quite well informed regarding documents within two centuries of Jesus'

Re: Anything new on the House and women question?

2003-08-14 Thread Susan Maneck
No, I mean 'properly' published in a book, visible to the bahai community if nothing else,as opposed to unpublished conference presentations, photocopied notes mailed all over the world or internet musings and such like. That is precisely why I quoted the word 'official' to avoid your very

Re: ABS Executive Commmittee

2003-08-17 Thread Susan Maneck
I have only attended a couple of the annual meetings of the ABS in Canada, but in both cases only members of the Association could vote or be voted for in the election of the executive. Dear David, My understanding is that the members of the Executive Committee are appointed by the Canadian

Re: Questions: masturbation

2003-08-18 Thread Susan Maneck
"By "the exquisite place" could the Bab possibly have been referring to a specific part of the female anatomy, in which the "seed" might bear fruit?" Uh, that's not the place I had in mind. -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a

Re: ABS Executive Commmittee

2003-08-18 Thread Susan Maneck
What exactly do they seem to be looking for in making the appointments? And why is it just the Canadian NSA who makes the appointments? Because they have less work than the US NSA? Has anyone on this list been on the Executive Committee before? Dear David, Canada started the ABS and when

Re: The Studies list losing focus

2003-08-19 Thread Susan Maneck
I swear by God and I say this most solemnly. you are losing focus by discussing so much on sex and matters related to sex. I have to agree with Khazeh here. We do seem to losing our focus. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: Ruhi book 2

2003-08-20 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear David, If you make your posts a little more succinct, I think you will find they are more likely to be read. Usually you give us more detail than we need. However, in this portion you didn't explain yourself: After this I found the material fine for some time. Section 4, question 5 was

Re: Kingship

2003-08-24 Thread Susan Maneck
What I would like to know is whether, when the world is Baha'i, such titles will still be used for kings. Dear David, I know of nothing in the Writings that explicitly indicates that there won't be. Surely a title such as Your Eminence, in capitals no less, would denote superiority of

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-08-25 Thread Susan Maneck
The Writings endow the Universal House of Justice with legislative, executive and judicial powers. (The Universal House of Justice, Constitution of the Universal House of Justice, p. 8) Dear Brent, You state the Writings bestow the House of Justice with these powers but what you quote is the

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-08-25 Thread Susan Maneck
That is, each word of the Constitution describing a power of the House rests squarely on a verse in the Writings. Dear Brent, Where does it say that? I am really not sure what the intent of your post was. Well, as you know I am very persnickety when it comes to things people say are in the

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-08-26 Thread Susan Maneck
Yes, but, in a decentralised 3 level federal system its not hard to imagine that one can have a world level legislative institution whose legal will is principally executed/administered by the national units. Likewise the National legislative institution

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-08-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Blind obedience is when there is no attempt to understand the processes behind a ruling or a law. Dear Owen, The reason I asked is that you indicated that it wasn't blind obedience because it comes from the love of God. That's not the same as attempting to understand the processes behind a

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-08-30 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Brent, Oridinarily I would agree with you about the weakness of utilizing a pilgrim's note. But in this case the pilgrim's note in question merely elucidates what the Will and Testament itself said regarding the the fact that the legislative powers of the House of Justice were different

Re: Revival and Decline

2003-09-03 Thread Susan Maneck
And in New Mexico, the violent crime rate is actually still *10 times* what it was in 1960, tho down about 10% from its peak in the late 90's. Brent perception of what's going on in his area is correct. Dear Don, But Brent it talking about an increase in the last two or three years. You are

Re: Revival and Decline

2003-09-04 Thread Susan Maneck
And these days, TV doesn't pass the smell test. What passes for garments for teenagers these days don't, either. Evidence? It's all around. Dear Brent, My observation is that neither TV or clothing is all that worse than when you and I were young. The cartoons were certainly more violent

Re: Fw: Quinn and Buck's articles

2003-09-04 Thread Susan Maneck
I thought there was a passage in Gleanings which states that all of the Prophets have come from the Holy Land. Of course, this may not preclude Messengers. Dear Matt, What's the Holy Land? warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: Manifestations only from the east?

2003-09-05 Thread Susan Maneck
Title: Message "I think what needs to be identified in questions like this, is what is the underlying cause of both recognising and not recognising the Manaifestation of God. This is an eternal question. East - west and any prophetic aspectsare related to the era that has now gone by. But

Re: Manifestations only from the east?

2003-09-06 Thread Susan Maneck
I guess, then, that if female pronouns had been used, such would prove that the next Manifestation would be female? Dear David, It would certainly be a strong indication. But I've never know the scriptures to make it that easy. ;-} warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i

Re: Manifestations only from the east?

2003-09-06 Thread Susan Maneck
I'm fairly sure I have heard that there is no actual term for separate gender in Persian? Is this true? If so this could have a bearing on the discussion? Dear Michael,. That's correct. But we have been citing texts that were written in Arabic which insists on gender. warmest, Susan

Re: Conferred Infallibility of the House of Justice

2003-09-07 Thread Susan Maneck
If we were to take this as an accurate statement of a limitation on the nature and powers of the National and Universal House of Justice, how would we reconcile this with the Guardian's statement to the US NSA about the relations that should be maintained between the central administrative

Re: debts

2003-09-09 Thread Susan Maneck
Kia Ora Susan. David is correct, this man was not a Covenant breaker at that time. He may well have become a Covenant breaker later on but at that time when he was residing in New Zealand and Australia, he was not. To be honest I have forgotten his name. I think it was around 1951 that the

Re: Whoso layeth claim...

2003-09-09 Thread Susan Maneck
I just wanted to note something I only recently noticed about the wording of this sentence. What I refer to is the words a Revelation direct from God. Dear David, The phrase 'direct from God' is not in the original. The original literally says whoso layeth claim to a *Cause.* 'Abdu'l-Baha

Re: Whoso layeth claim...

2003-09-09 Thread Susan Maneck
I can't offhand think of any references in which 'Abdu'l-Baha indicates He is Revealing something. I don't think Abdu'l-Baha ever made such a claim but my recollection is that Baha'u'llah affirmed that one of His sons could reveal verses. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to

Re: debts

2003-09-10 Thread Susan Maneck
But that's not what the 1932 letter stated. It said nothing about monthly debt to income ratio or anything that you'd recognize from the introductory Finance 101 course. Dear Ahang, Well, I think the principle that is being expressed is that we don't use contributions to the fund as an

Re: Whoso layeth claim...

2003-09-11 Thread Susan Maneck
One day, someone will write a doctoral dissertation on the style of translation of Shoghi Effendi. A lot can be learned from his translations. Dear Brent and David, Dianne Malouf already did, but I think it will take more than one dissertation. I don't think it would be readily apparent to

Re: Trailers

2003-09-12 Thread Susan Maneck
You mean that AOL users have to send in both formats? Dear Don, What I mean is that AOL email has html embedded even in their plain email and there is no tool to eliminate those. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send

Re: Trailers

2003-09-12 Thread Susan Maneck
OK, so if lengthy msgs are a problem for a few, how about an education campaign for the others on how to eliminate the html version from their msgs? Dear Don, As I indicated, this can't be done for AOL users. In Outlook if you see those lines you go up and click on Format and then click on

Re: Bathing

2003-09-23 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear David, I think you need to keep in mind that deciding the minutae of Baha'i law is not the function of scholarship in this Day, though it was in past Dispensations. As Shoghi Effendi stated: But praise be to God that the Pen of Glory has done away with the unyielding an dictatorial views of

Re: Bathing

2003-09-23 Thread Susan Maneck
My advice: if the minutiae of bathing are that important to you (why?), ask for an elucidation from the Universal House of Justice. And don't tell them I sent you... Don't tell them I sent you either. But Shoghi Effendi and 'Abdu'l-Baha both said this is not our business, and I'm quite happy

Re: Ideas for working with marginalized people

2003-09-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Jim, You've got some great ideas here. I'd like to see how you fill them out. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following:

Re: Influence of Islam on Renaissance

2003-09-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Earlier we had a thread regarding the influence of Islam on the Renaissance. Some of you might find the topic of the following conference interesting; Retelling the Renaissance, East and West Retelling the Renaissance, East and West Institute for Arab and Islamic Studies, Exeter University, 30

Re: As to teaching

2003-09-30 Thread Susan Maneck
Also, Book 6 tends to be overly rigid in its conception of how to teach at firesides. It emphasizes controlling the amount of information given to the seeker rather than answering the questions in their heart which is what the Guardian stressed. Only if it is improperly tutored. Dear Loni,

Re: As to teaching

2003-09-30 Thread Susan Maneck
-the 'fireside' method is being somewhat ignored in the recent emphasis on Ruhi, IMO. It is still a valid way of teaching (how can something recommended so highly by the Guardian become invalid?) and I suspect if we had all opened our homes as regularly as was suggested (each 19 days)

Fw: UHJ and majority vote.

2003-10-02 Thread Susan Maneck
- Original Message - From: Daniel Grolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: UHJ and majority vote. Dear Susan, You might pass this on as a point for the current discussion on B.St. The problem is only theoretical

Fw: UHJ Infallibility

2003-10-02 Thread Susan Maneck
Title: UHJ Infallibility FYI - Original Message - From: Guy Sinclair To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: UHJ Infallibility Dear Susan In relation to the discussion on this subject on Baha'I Studies, the friends might note that Article V,

Re: What makes a Christian?

2003-10-05 Thread Susan Maneck
Yes. Just today I stumbled upon the following: http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp This is so gross and crude you might scream. Dear Alex, Believe it or not you can find these tracts everywhere in the US. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Social problems in the Baha'i Faith

2003-10-10 Thread Susan Maneck
Has there been any scholarship on social problems within the Baha'i Faith, such as abusive behavior, corruption of institutions, and mind-control cults? There have been opinion pieces but, to my knowledge, no objective treatments of this subject. I'm not sure that there could be. I'm not sure

Re: Social problems in the Baha'i Faith

2003-10-11 Thread Susan Maneck
Something tells me you don't approve of Fred's Web site. And it has nothing to do with the fact he has nine pages on it denouncing me. ;-} -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies

Re: Social problems in the Baha'i Faith

2003-10-11 Thread Susan Maneck
I am not sure that if I were on the NSA I would commission a scientific study on social problems within the Baha'i Faith. For a start research takes up resources. Dear William, I agree they wouldn't do it under that rubric. But they might very well be interested in a study which focused on

Re: an obscure and unauthenticated translation of an oral statement

2003-10-12 Thread Susan Maneck
That the Bahai Faith could not or should not be organized. Dear Steve, Ruth White would quote a pilgrim's note which reported Abdu'l-Baha as saying the Baha'i Faith could never be organized. She used it to oppose Shoghi Effendi's efforts to create the administrative order. My recollection is

Re: Responses to House of Justice on review policy?

2003-10-12 Thread Susan Maneck
Does anyone know where I can find counterarguments to each of the reasons given by the House of Justice, for continuing the review process, in its messages of 8 September 1991, 10 December 1992, and 5 October 1993? Dear Jim, I believe those are the latest letters on that issue. But why are

Re: Social problems in the Baha'i Faith

2003-10-12 Thread Susan Maneck
Contrary to what I said the NSA could and should commission some kinds of research. I suppose there is no reason it cannot commission research and construct some distance between it and the research. I need to think again. Although I still think we should allow and construct a sphere of

Re: Social problems in the Baha'i Faith

2003-10-13 Thread Susan Maneck
However, not all words of all minutes of all Assembly meetings need be protected under confidentiality. Dear Marleen, Those involving personal problems are likely to be the most confidential of all, and these are the ones most important for a study such as the one Jim is suggesting. warmest,

Re: Ideas for working with marginalized people

2003-10-13 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Jim, Since you are new to this list, how about an introduction? Can we get a bio from you? In fact, perhaps we could all do with a round of bios since I think we have had a number of new subscribers recently. I'm Susan Maneck and I manage this list on behalf of Mark Foster, the list owner

Re: Designation of Avarih as Hand of the Cause of God

2003-10-20 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Badi, To my knowledge Avarih was never designated a Hand of the Cause, in fact, I don't think Abdu'l-Baha appointed any. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i

Fw: An answer re: Love Thine Enemy

2003-10-23 Thread Susan Maneck
Hi folks, I'm hopelessly behind in my email, so I apologize for taking so long to forward the following: - Original Message - From: Daniel Grolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: An answer re: Love Thine Enemy Hi

Re: Two Adams??

2003-10-27 Thread Susan Maneck
A friend has mentioned that she seems to remember reading something from either Shoghi Effendi or Abdu'l-Baha where he stated that the Adam of the Garden of Eden was not the same Adam who was the Manifestation of God. Dear Jeanne, I thought I'd answer this post earlier, but for some reason

Re: Two Adams??

2003-10-28 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Susan You're right. I have seen what you say about the age of this world, but I couldn't find an answer to this Word of `Abdu'l-Baha about `ten thousand years'. Could you look at it in Makatib or second volume of Ma'idih (vol. 2, chapter 35)? (you can find it in both books) Dear Faruq,

Re: Two Adams??

2003-10-30 Thread Susan Maneck
If you accept the evidence for the Eve or the out of Africa theory, science has already confirmed the origin of our present species 100,000 years ago. Dear Marlene, I think even without the 'Eve' theory Homo Sapiens are supposed to emerge about 100,000 years ago aren't they? The Agricultral

Re: Two Adams??

2003-11-01 Thread Susan Maneck
The 10,000 to 100,000 year mentioned by the Master seems to indicate the beginning of human race around that time in my opinion. Aside from being a confirmation of current scientific thinking, does it matter, from a scientific point of view, when the Master said that the human race started?

Re: Two Adams??

2003-11-03 Thread Susan Maneck
Re: Two Adams??She seems to think that she saw it in an article in the Baha'i Studies Journal and that the statement was attributed to Abd'ul- Baha. That wouldn't happen to ring any bells for you, would it? Dear Jeanne, The only reference i know to *two* Adams is from the New Testament where

National over Local Funds

2003-11-08 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear friends, Sometime ago the Universal House of Justice wrote the following: The beloved Guardian has explained that the general and national interests of the Cause take precedence over local ones; thus contributions to local funds are secondary to those to national funds. However, the

Re: Whether or Not this constitutes BACKBITING...

2003-11-14 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear friends, That last post was made by a declared Covenant breaker. Please do not respond. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the

Re: Whether or Not this constitutes BACKBITING...

2003-11-14 Thread Susan Maneck
Thank you. It wasn't understandable anyway. Dear Richard, What that was all about is that some people on another list had taken Michael's word for it when he asserted that the Guardian was gay and never slept with his wife. They insisted the only reason I wouldn't believe him because he was a

Re: Recite ye the verses of God every morn and eventide

2003-12-08 Thread Susan Maneck
You might think of it as reciting in the sense of 're-cite.' In the sense of dhikr or zakkar (adhkar)? No, I don't think so. Dhikr recites the same word again and again and again. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send

Re: Recite ye the verses of God every morn and eventide

2003-12-08 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Friends As about the literal meaning of the root of this word, ALMONJED, Dear Faruq, How do we get almonjed from Telavat? There doesn't appear to be a letter they have in common! warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe

Re: Recite ye the verses of God every morn and eventide

2003-12-08 Thread Susan Maneck
What about Western believers who do not know how to chant? Do our words have the same effect or should we learn to chant? I fear if I tried chanting the angels would *really* scatter! -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a

Re: Recite ye the verses of God every morn and eventide

2003-12-08 Thread Susan Maneck
Does that mean that if a person had memorized all of Baha'u'llah's Writings they would still have to literally read His Writings everyday, as opposed to just selecting a passage from memory and going over it in their mind or reciting it aloud? Dear David, If you know someone who has

Re: Temple Designs by Mason Remey

2003-12-10 Thread Susan Maneck
Would have grounds or would not have grounds? Dear Richard, I was told that Mason Remey's plan for the Haifa Temple *would* be used. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Recent Talk in Sydney Australia by Dr Peter Khan. NotesbyCounsellorStephen Hall

2003-12-11 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Ahang, I was struck by this: Dr Khan identified four areas in particular that he felt the Baha¹i community, complementary to its focus on the core lines of action, could contribute to the spiritual and social rehabilitation of western society Those four were as follows: 1. Building

Re: abiding influence of the Guardianship

2003-12-13 Thread Susan Maneck
You ask if there are any texts which state that the institution of the Guardianship can exist without a living Guardian. Dear Peter, This thread hasn't appeared on Baha'i Studies. warmest, Susan -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe

Re: Abdu'r-Rahman ibn-Kaldun

2003-12-14 Thread Susan Maneck
A note in Miracles and Metaphors points out that Ibn-Khaldun, who has been called the founder of sociology, argued that religion can only succeed if it receives the backing of the prophet's people on the basis of kinship solidarity. Was he truly the founder of sociology? Why was he called the

Re: Abdu'r-Rahman ibn-Kaldun

2003-12-14 Thread Susan Maneck
By the way it's available in English, though I don't recall the translator(s). Franz Rosenthal translated it, but the translation isn't very good. -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i

Re: Abdu'r-Rahman ibn-Kaldun

2003-12-14 Thread Susan Maneck
Well, Susan jan, you may have to roll up the sleeves on this one and come up with a more befitting translation. It certainly will have the market as it's a foundational text and would make a great project. Uh, I'm afraid it's a little beyong me, Ahang jan. Let's pawn it off on Will. ;-}

Call for papers

2003-12-16 Thread Susan Maneck
RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS, CONFLICT, AND DEMOCRACY: INTERNATIONALPERSPECTIVES June 18-20, 2004 at Baylor University, Waco, Texas CALL FOR PAPERSIt is hoped that speakers will come from a broad range of disciplines,including sociology, anthropology, social psychology, history of religion,law,

CB posting

2003-12-16 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear friends, I few weeks ago we had a problem with a Covenant breaker posting on this list who we immediately removed. It seems this same Covenant breaker posted a message in my guest book and signed it Mirza Husayn Ali. There is no way for me to remove this little piece of blasphemy

Re: CB posting

2003-12-16 Thread Susan Maneck
Thanks, everyone. He is off the front page. -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: World Govt and the UHJ

2003-12-19 Thread Susan Maneck
Oh, i see the problem. There are apparently two archives. You can access the public ones here: http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist (public) Steve,. do you have a URL for that archive? I'm not sure how the passwords on this oen work. I think everyone may have their own. --

Re: Bible Code

2003-12-22 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Larry, The same method was applied to Qur'an by a rather eccentric Imam from Tucson who came to the conclusion that everything came to the Number 19. But in my opinion this is all nonsense. Here is a URL: http://skepdic.com/bibcode.html warmest, Susan - Original Message - From:

Re: Bible Code

2003-12-22 Thread Susan Maneck
Have you seen a breakdown of the Qur'an with regard to the number 19? I have one in my possession. Yes, the problem is you can play this game with almost any number. -- You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to

Re: Firmness in the Covenant

2004-01-05 Thread Susan Maneck
The problem of this passage is that it would indicate that non-Baha'is are bad associates or lepers, whom we should not associate with. Jesus' brothers and Tahirih's sons were not bad people (I don't think), but 'Abdu'l-Baha is clearly implying that Jesus and Tahirih's avoidance of them due

Call for Papers

2004-01-10 Thread Susan Maneck
The Executive Committee of the Association for Bahá’í Studies extends a warm invitation to you to attend and participate in the 28th Annual Conference of the Association for Bahá’í Studies – North America "Spirit and Intellect: Advancing Civilization" 28th Annual Conference of the

Re: Exemption

2004-01-10 Thread Susan Maneck
Perhaps the effect of the ablution lasts for twenty-four hours, or until the repetitions have been completed; which ever is completed first. I don't think so, Richard. I think if you interrupt your prayers or a dhikr after you have performed your abolutions, you need to do them again. The idea

Fw: Moses and the Pentateuch

2004-01-15 Thread Susan Maneck
- Original Message - From: Daniel Grolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Moses and the Pentateuch Dear Richard, It is interesting to note that no one of note has ever questioned that Ezra wrote the Bible around

Re: Moses and the Pentateuch

2004-01-15 Thread Susan Maneck
Thank you. However, I am not subscribed to the Baha'i Biblical Studies list. And Daniel, unfortunately, isn't subscribed to Baha'i Studies. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email

Re: Fines

2004-01-16 Thread Susan Maneck
If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall purge the evil from Israel. (Deuteronomy 22:22) I'm assuming here that this law covers either fornication or adultery by the man. No, it doesn't. In fact

Re: Baha'i Saints, Heroes, Martyrs, Administrators

2004-01-17 Thread Susan Maneck
I recall that Ruhiyyih Khanum once reported that the Guardian said to her that her mother was a hero but her father was a saint. I'm not sure he was trying to say that her mother was better than her father, much less that Horace Holley was greater than both of them. warmest, Susan

Re: Baha'i Saints, Heroes, Martyrs, Administrators

2004-01-17 Thread Susan Maneck
I am a member of my local spiritual assembly, but I dont claim to be a Bahai administrator. I know one, though. He gets up at 5:00 every morning to pray for two hours for his community before he goes to work. He and his family support the activities of the friends, their firesides and feasts

Re: Review of fictional work

2004-01-17 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Tim, I'm ccing this message to Rob Stockman since he runs the Review Office and is in a better postion to answer your questions. But I'll tell you what I know (or at least think I know.) You wrote: 1. If a character in a story believes things and does things that would be easily

Re: Baha'i Saints, Heroes, Martyrs, Administrators

2004-01-18 Thread Susan Maneck
Mr. Grossman's interpretation tells volumes about how hard Mr. Grossman finds administrative service in the Faith, and how much he puts into it. Dear Vaughn, I think that's what Mark was trying to say when we suggested Mr. Grossman had been an administrator too long. I don't think he was

Tablet of a Thousand Verses

2004-01-18 Thread Susan Maneck
Khazeh jan, Do you have your translation of the Tablet of a Thousand Verses on the net anywhere? warmest, Susan __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL

Fw: Review of fictional work

2004-01-19 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Tim, Here's Rob's responses to your questions regarding Baha'i Review. warmest, Susan These are excellent questions. I'll respond below. -- Robert Stockman -Original Message- From: Susan Maneck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:54 PM To: Baha'i

Re: Fw: Review of fictional work

2004-01-19 Thread Susan Maneck
Why? It seems to me that the difficulties of interpretation are too great, and the chances of destroying aesthetic value and wrongly denying freedom of expression, too high. Dear William, Except artistic work is subject to review if it is intended for mass distribution. At one time they tried

Re: Prophecy

2004-01-23 Thread Susan Maneck
If I didnt know any better I would have said that Abdul-Baha was cheating in order to make 3.5 days into 1260 years. Perhaps Im missing something... Dear David, Joachim de Flora, the medieval founder of Dispensationalism concluded that 1260 (A.D.) would be the year as well. I think it is