[BangPypers] Fwd: Fw: Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
Chris, STOP emailing me offlist. I made it very clear earlier that I didnt want to have any private conversations and have said everything on the list. List admins, can you do something to stop this? Thanks. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha c2inom...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM Subject: Fw: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: svak...@gmail.com svak...@gmail.com Svaksah, This was intended to be sent to you directly, not to the group list. My rule is praise in public, criticize in private. But I made a mistake in replying using this yahoo email interface. My apologies. - Forwarded Message - From: CsquaredinOmaha c2inom...@yahoo.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py That is what I thought - you have no answers and are simply interested in forcing others by your bullying. I took it off topic, directly to you, because I was honestly interested in your reply and didn't want your reply to be compelled to be less than honest. So my asking you a question you don't want to answer means you label it troll and wondering your position on equality of free speech is ad hominem . Your stance and attitude do your cause disservice. I don't believe you have even it any thought and perhaps don't even grasped my point. Which is unfortunate, it seems as so many liberals, that you are being loud without being thoughtful. From: svaksha svak...@gmail.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py Chris, was it easier to troll in private than on the public Bangpypers mailing list? If you're reduced to ad hominem and that too in private off-list messages, you're pretty clearly out of anything remotely relevant to say. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha c2inom...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: svak...@gmail.com svak...@gmail.com svaksha, Let me see if I can summarize your string of responses: You are offended by Anand making fun of a group that used .com instead of .org and he apparently was sarcastically bringing into question/criticism some parts of your stated mission. In the subsequent emails, you threatened to report him and announced you felt the need to shame him on this list. So in essence Anand poked fun at some of your organizational decisions, and your response was to threaten. You would be a better representative for your views if you 1) Develop thicker skin about criticism - if you are confident in your cause, you don't have to be so easily offended. This episode illustrates that you are not. It makes your position, like your confidence, look weak. 2) Threatening to get someone in trouble over an opinion is political correctness, which is very damaging to open discourse and thought. You not only have the right to voice your opinions, but also as part of that right, you have the right to dislike another's opinion. This should never be confused with the non-existent right to shut up someone when they displease you... You would not want someone to shut you up when they disagree with you - so have the decency to recognize that applies both of you. I have had this discussion many times - for some reason programmers, despite having a college education, did not seem to pay enough attention to civil rights class. I realize you were angry and this is how you dealt with the insult you perceived. But unfortunately when you react, by being easily bruised, unconfident, and demanding suppression of othersdamages your cause. Now, final note - Anand made a point that has been made many times before, and I would be interested in your response: What purpose is served by creating a women's group, instead of joining the existing group thus making it more diverse? In other words, what purpose is served by intentional segregation? Regards, Chris Payments Systems engineer - Omaha, Nebraska, US From: svaksha svak...@gmail.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:44 AM, svaksha wrote: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai anandpil...@letterboxes.org wrote: +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my actions deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat extreme) sense of
Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: Fw: Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
My apology is retracted. I am sorry to have asked questions you can't answer. And I am truly sorry you are so unpleasant in how you deal with anything that isn't exactly to your liking. Again, closing the thread. From: svaksha svak...@gmail.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: Fw: Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py Chris, STOP emailing me offlist. I made it very clear earlier that I didnt want to have any private conversations and have said everything on the list. List admins, can you do something to stop this? Thanks. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha c2inom...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM Subject: Fw: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: svak...@gmail.com svak...@gmail.com Svaksah, This was intended to be sent to you directly, not to the group list. My rule is praise in public, criticize in private. But I made a mistake in replying using this yahoo email interface. My apologies. - Forwarded Message - From: CsquaredinOmaha c2inom...@yahoo.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py That is what I thought - you have no answers and are simply interested in forcing others by your bullying. I took it off topic, directly to you, because I was honestly interested in your reply and didn't want your reply to be compelled to be less than honest. So my asking you a question you don't want to answer means you label it troll and wondering your position on equality of free speech is ad hominem . Your stance and attitude do your cause disservice. I don't believe you have even it any thought and perhaps don't even grasped my point. Which is unfortunate, it seems as so many liberals, that you are being loud without being thoughtful. From: svaksha svak...@gmail.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py Chris, was it easier to troll in private than on the public Bangpypers mailing list? If you're reduced to ad hominem and that too in private off-list messages, you're pretty clearly out of anything remotely relevant to say. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha c2inom...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: svak...@gmail.com svak...@gmail.com svaksha, Let me see if I can summarize your string of responses: You are offended by Anand making fun of a group that used .com instead of .org and he apparently was sarcastically bringing into question/criticism some parts of your stated mission. In the subsequent emails, you threatened to report him and announced you felt the need to shame him on this list. So in essence Anand poked fun at some of your organizational decisions, and your response was to threaten. You would be a better representative for your views if you 1) Develop thicker skin about criticism - if you are confident in your cause, you don't have to be so easily offended. This episode illustrates that you are not. It makes your position, like your confidence, look weak. 2) Threatening to get someone in trouble over an opinion is political correctness, which is very damaging to open discourse and thought. You not only have the right to voice your opinions, but also as part of that right, you have the right to dislike another's opinion. This should never be confused with the non-existent right to shut up someone when they displease you... You would not want someone to shut you up when they disagree with you - so have the decency to recognize that applies both of you. I have had this discussion many times - for some reason programmers, despite having a college education, did not seem to pay enough attention to civil rights class. I realize you were angry and this is how you dealt with the insult you perceived. But unfortunately when you react, by being easily bruised, unconfident, and demanding suppression of othersdamages your cause. Now, final note - Anand made a point that has been made many times before, and I would be interested in your response: What purpose is served by creating a women's group, instead of joining the existing group thus making it more diverse? In other words, what purpose is served by intentional segregation? Regards, Chris Payments Systems engineer - Omaha, Nebraska, US From: svaksha svak...@gmail.com To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India bangpypers@python.org Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers
