[BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
SEC has found a way to set right those marauding bankers on Wall street by considering the use of programming languages to specify legal requirements. And the language of choice ? - Python! http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python If this

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: SEC has found a way to set right those marauding bankers on Wall street by considering the use of programming languages to specify legal requirements. And the language of choice ? - Python!

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: SEC has found a way to set right those marauding bankers on Wall street by considering the use of programming languages to specify

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: SEC has found a way to set right those

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Venkatraman S
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: Tweeters, please tweet this if you already haven't. Let us drive some traffic to python dot org which apparently is already seeing increased traffic since this hit /. (The Slashdot effect maybe ?) I

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..]  If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder  what kind of Python consultant you are ;-)[..] Oh. I do. It's just that I recently needed to implement a simple business rule engine

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM,

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: [..] If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder what kind of Python consultant you are ;-)[..] Oh. I do.

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: [..] I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing what otherwise is likely to be done through excel spreadsheets and then

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 26 April 2010 13:53, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: [snipped] I don't expect people to convert in back into English but there will, at the very least, be a need for Python specific training. This reminded me of something I read: here it is

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: [..] I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers to the preferred mechanism of documenting complex waterfall provisions, in fiscal projections. I downloaded the PDF from the SEC

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers to the preferred mechanism of documenting

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 26-Apr-10, at 2:25 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural language for expression (as in being one of the most readable programming languages for non programmers) without resorting to any specific DSLs etc. On the contrary, I

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.netwrote: On 26-Apr-10, at 2:25 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural language for expression (as in being one of the most readable programming languages for non

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.netwrote: This is not a deal-breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is a sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around,

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote: On 26-Apr-10, at 2:25 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 26-Apr-10, at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) may be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition of a new language grammar. However reasoning about the contracts is not in the

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote: This is not a deal-breaker of course, and

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Rajeev J Sebastian
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote: On 26-Apr-10, at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) may be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition of a

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. The scenario here is that the program (as in the python code) is the means of

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications.

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 26 Apr 2010 4:53:05 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: [..] Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. this thread is

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Rajeev J Sebastian
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.net wrote: On 26-Apr-10, at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote: [snip] With all due respect, I disagree that a DSL is useful for this purpose. In fact, I would disagree with DSLs in most cases, especially if its supposed to be

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Dhananjay Nene
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang sir...@sirtaj.netwrote: On 26-Apr-10, at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote: [snip] With all due respect, I disagree that a DSL is useful for this purpose. In fact, I would disagree with DSLs in most cases, especially if its supposed to be

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: [..] And FWIW - no, I didn't read the 667 page PDF :) Given that it's a /. link, it's cultural to not RTFA and just pontificate about it (especially if it's a 667 page pdf). :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Sirtaj Singh Kang
On 26-Apr-10, at 5:30 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] Taj, the main issue isn't whether standardisation necessary for DSLs is feasible - but the sheer amount of effort, time, political bickerings, and heat that accompanies it. If one uses python we save that entire diversion which if

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 26 April 2010 16:44, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai abpil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Monday 26 Apr 2010 4:53:05 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com

Re: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python

2010-04-26 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Monday 26 Apr 2010 5:52:49 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: And FWIW - no, I didn't read the 667 page PDF :) I downloaded it and went through it, counting the # of times Python is mentioned as an exercise . It is not a joke and Python is mentioned not only in page 1, but in pages 6,