[BangPypers] [job] Python Developer Required
Python developer of around 3 years of experience is required by our company Trumatics. The developer needs to work in Vietnam in first 2 weeks for the client to evaluate him, once the client is okay the developer will be made permanent and moved back to Chennai, India. The developer will be exposed to latest technologies like Crypto currency and Blockchain, hence people who would like to learn and grow their career are expected. The candidate should have good communication skills too as he or she must spend time with client alone. Interested candidates may apply to a...@trumatics.com -- Karthikeyan A K Author of https://mindaslab.github.io/I-Love-Ruby/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On 01/14/2011 03:46 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Baishampayan Ghosewrote: >> This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. > > how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying "according to industry standards" is that there is no such thing as a "standard compensation". The actual pay differs with the person, the role& the company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying "we won't short-change you". Good point. "Industry standard" is just euphemism and an urban myth, no such thing exists :) Like most standards. Thanks, I'll be here all week ! cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 15:46 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Good point. "Industry standard" is just euphemism and > an urban myth, no such thing exists :) thank god - I can stop trying to find out what it is. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > >> This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. > > > > how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. > > One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying "according > to industry standards" is that there is no such thing as a "standard > compensation". The actual pay differs with the person, the role & the > company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying "we won't > short-change you". > Good point. "Industry standard" is just euphemism and an urban myth, no such thing exists :) > > Regards, > BG > > -- > Baishampayan Ghose > b.ghose at gmail.com > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, Jan 13 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [...] > everyone has a minimum - what I need to live in comparative luxury - > given that minimum is assured, then what is the criterion? Two companies, somewhat similar work and atmosphere - one paying 1.5 times the other. Which job would you take? In a place like Bangalore (and probably Pune, Hyderabad) where IT companies mushroom, they're all somewhat the same job and work culture wise, the differentiating factor is often money and companies don't like to publicise their crown jewels. I'll admit that there are *some* differences between the companies and some that stand out for reasons other than money but within a sector (e.g. services, networking gear, EDA etc.), they're all pretty much the same. Startups are probably different. Their aims are to attract talented people and they don't want money (which is what larger companies have in larger amounts) to draw away their workforce. So they offer "competitive" salaries. The exact amounts would depend on your experience and other things. What they mean is that what they offer you is roughly what you'd get in the industry anywhere so you don't need to worry about being paid less. Publicising something like "pay of 1L a month" would attract a lot of flies which they'd have to spend time and energy shooing away. OTOH, if they emphasise other things like work etc. and tell you that if you're satisfied with all that, salary won't be a problem, they'd have a better chance getting and retaining good people. -- ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 06:30, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 21:35 +0530, s|s wrote:
>> This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation.
> how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range.
>
I vaguely remembered this line, but looking it up online tells me it's
from a book ("The Big Short", Michael Lewis):
"Senior managment's job is to pay people," he'd say, "If they fuck a
hundred guys out of a hundred grand each, that's ten million more for
them. They have four categories: happy, satisfied, dissatisfied,
disgusted. If they hit happy, they've screwed up. They never want you
happy. On the other hand, they don't want you so disgusted you quit.
The sweet spot is somewhere between dissatisfied and disgusted."
--
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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On 13-Jan-2011, at 12:44 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 12:40 +0530, Vivek Khurana wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves >> wrote: >>> That said, the best candidates (as far as I am concerned) are those >> who >>> say that salary is not the main criterion - what work are you going >> to >>> give me? >> >> That carrot stick works for a while. Once you have couple of feathers >> in the cap and have family pressure, it is money that matters. > > everyone has a minimum - what I need to live in comparative luxury - > given that minimum is assured, then what is the criterion? More money. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 12:40 +0530, Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > That said, the best candidates (as far as I am concerned) are those > who > > say that salary is not the main criterion - what work are you going > to > > give me? > > That carrot stick works for a while. Once you have couple of feathers > in the cap and have family pressure, it is money that matters. everyone has a minimum - what I need to live in comparative luxury - given that minimum is assured, then what is the criterion? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > While I completely agree with you on this, just FYI, Google (US, don't > know about India) pays considerably less than the industry standards > but makes it up with the perks. Even in US, Google salaries are lower than Yahoo and FB. One major reason why so many Google guys defected to FB recently... regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > That said, the best candidates (as far as I am concerned) are those who > say that salary is not the main criterion - what work are you going to > give me? That carrot stick works for a while. Once you have couple of feathers in the cap and have family pressure, it is money that matters. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
>> I agree. That is indeed, one way of saying "the salary is negotiable". >> Having said that, I have never seen companies like Google, Facebook, >> etc. mention a pay range in job postings, > > google, facebook etc are the top range - it goes without saying that the > salaries will be far above industry standards. I am talking about our > local small start ups that no one has ever heard of. I have seen lot of > people who say 'we pay very well', but actually the end offer is often > peanuts. I personally always specify a maximum - that way every one > knows where they stand and people do not need to waste their time > applying for a job where the salary is not up to their expectations. > That said, the best candidates (as far as I am concerned) are those who > say that salary is not the main criterion - what work are you going to > give me? While I completely agree with you on this, just FYI, Google (US, don't know about India) pays considerably less than the industry standards but makes it up with the perks. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > or a way of saying: 'there is going to be bargaining here'? > I think it's a way of saying: "Salary will depend upon who you are, how much experience you have, what your current salary is, and how desperately we need you". The reality is that for the same job posting, I can get a candidate who is expecting Rs. 5L, and I can get another expecting Rs. 15L. Now supposed I had a specific role in mind, and a salary range of Rs 9L to 11L in mind for that role. If the 5L or 15L candidates are any good, most likely I will create a new role which fits their capabilities and will offer them a salary accordingly - which will be very different from the original salary and the original role. And everybody wins. Mentioning a salary range is unnecessarily cutting off options. navin. What I don't understand is people who don't mention prices of their product offerings - where the products are fairly standard. (e.g. training, workshop etc.) ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 11:48 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > > or a way of saying: 'there is going to be bargaining here'? I do not > > know much about the software industry, but surely there must be an > > approximate range - or at least a maximum that a company is willing > to > > shell out? > > I agree. That is indeed, one way of saying "the salary is negotiable". > Having said that, I have never seen companies like Google, Facebook, > etc. mention a pay range in job postings, google, facebook etc are the top range - it goes without saying that the salaries will be far above industry standards. I am talking about our local small start ups that no one has ever heard of. I have seen lot of people who say 'we pay very well', but actually the end offer is often peanuts. I personally always specify a maximum - that way every one knows where they stand and people do not need to waste their time applying for a job where the salary is not up to their expectations. That said, the best candidates (as far as I am concerned) are those who say that salary is not the main criterion - what work are you going to give me? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
>> > how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. >> >> One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying "according >> to industry standards" is that there is no such thing as a "standard >> compensation". The actual pay differs with the person, the role & the >> company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying "we won't >> short-change you". > > or a way of saying: 'there is going to be bargaining here'? I do not > know much about the software industry, but surely there must be an > approximate range - or at least a maximum that a company is willing to > shell out? I agree. That is indeed, one way of saying "the salary is negotiable". Having said that, I have never seen companies like Google, Facebook, etc. mention a pay range in job postings, but I guess people still get some idea about the salary range through various channels like glassdoor.com Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 11:39 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > >> This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. > > > > how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. > > One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying "according > to industry standards" is that there is no such thing as a "standard > compensation". The actual pay differs with the person, the role & the > company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying "we won't > short-change you". or a way of saying: 'there is going to be bargaining here'? I do not know much about the software industry, but surely there must be an approximate range - or at least a maximum that a company is willing to shell out? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 11:34 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote: > Because most people in India are not satisfied with what might be > written. LOL - but seriously, I know there are some countries where a job advertisement without indicating salary range is considered unethical and people will not respond to them. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
>> This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. > > how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying "according to industry standards" is that there is no such thing as a "standard compensation". The actual pay differs with the person, the role & the company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying "we won't short-change you". Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
Because most people in India are not satisfied with what might be written. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian On 13-Jan-2011, at 6:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 21:35 +0530, s|s wrote: >> This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. > > how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 21:35 +0530, s|s wrote: > This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience
Hello, A startup in stealth mode is engaged in development of web application in education domain. It is looking for a Python developer with knowledge of processes of web development. The developer should have medium to expert level knowledge of databases, templates, html, and at-least one of the frameworks (Django, Turbogears, web.py). Ability to grasp new concepts and explore new technology solutions for business problems is a must. It is expected that an ideal candidate should fulfil following criteria: - 2 to 4 years of relevant experience - In depth knowledge of Python It is preferred that candidate may also have: - Experience of working with one of the web frameworks (Django, Turbogears, web.py) - Python based ORM tools - Experience of working with open source RDBMS (MySQL, Postgres) - Cloud Compute environment - Templating engines in Python This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation. -- Supreet Sethi Ph UK: +447859172473 Ph IN: +919811143517 Ph Skype: d_j_i_n_n Profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/supreet.sethi Twt: http://twitter.com/djinn ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
