Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Joe Wicentowski]

This works perfectly, Christian. Thank you!

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:51 AM Christian Grün 
wrote:

> Hi Joe, hi Steve,
>
> Thanks to Michael’s initiative, a new snapshot is available that may
> solve the problems you observed [1].
>
> Your feedback is welcome,
> Christian
>
> PS: BaseX 10.4 will be released before end of this month.
>
> [1] https://files.basex.org/releases/latest/
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 9:47 AM Michael Seiferle  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > Hi list,
> >
> >
> >
> > I remember having a shared screen-screen-session with Christian not too
> long ago, where we tried to pin down the issue and iirc “it worked back
> then” — but obviously not for too long. It’s a rather odd behavior
> >
> >
> >
> > I fully agree with Joe, whether we click that little X or select Quit
> from the menu bar, the app should fully close.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are looking into this again :-)
> >
> >
> > You may follow my progress here:
> https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/pull/2149
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Von: BaseX-Talk  im Auftrag
> von Joe Wicentowski 
> > Datum: Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 01:21
> > An: Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
> > Cc: BaseX 
> > Betreff: Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac
> >
> > As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red
> window button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single
> window only apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows
> will keep the app open; apps that remain open after their windows are
> closed generally take a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a
> new window.
> >
> >
> >
> > But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the
> app. Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the
> red window button as a request to Quit.
> >
> >
> >
> > A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update
> or finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes
> present the user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when
> accepted, causes the OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX
> causes the restart to fail, because it will not quit when told, and the
> restart will time out unless you find out how to quit it. (I use control-C
> in the Terminal window where I ran the `basexgui` command.)
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <
> sd...@virginia.edu> wrote:
> >
> > It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking
> the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.
> >
> >
> >
> > — Steve.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with
> Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our
> current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default
> behavior [1].
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via
> the menu or b) the red icon?
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Wicentowski  schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
> >
> > I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and
> now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui`
> command line command.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <
> sd...@virginia.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit
> the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I
> wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and
> when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this
> issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
> >
> > Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was
> happening on earlier versions.
> >
> > And the current and last several versions of BaseX
> >
> >
> >
> > — Steve M.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Christian Grün]

Hi Joe, hi Steve,

Thanks to Michael’s initiative, a new snapshot is available that may
solve the problems you observed [1].

Your feedback is welcome,
Christian

PS: BaseX 10.4 will be released before end of this month.

[1] https://files.basex.org/releases/latest/




On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 9:47 AM Michael Seiferle  wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> I remember having a shared screen-screen-session with Christian not too long 
> ago, where we tried to pin down the issue and iirc “it worked back then” — 
> but obviously not for too long. It’s a rather odd behavior
>
>
>
> I fully agree with Joe, whether we click that little X or select Quit from 
> the menu bar, the app should fully close.
>
>
>
> We are looking into this again :-)
>
>
> You may follow my progress here: https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/pull/2149
>
>
> Best
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> Von: BaseX-Talk  im Auftrag von 
> Joe Wicentowski 
> Datum: Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 01:21
> An: Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
> Cc: BaseX 
> Betreff: Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac
>
> As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red window 
> button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single window only 
> apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows will keep the 
> app open; apps that remain open after their windows are closed generally take 
> a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a new window.
>
>
>
> But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the app. 
> Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the red 
> window button as a request to Quit.
>
>
>
> A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or 
> finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present the 
> user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes the 
> OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to fail, 
> because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out unless you 
> find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window where I ran 
> the `basexgui` command.)
>
>
>
> I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
>  wrote:
>
> It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the 
> red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.
>
>
>
> — Steve.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün  wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, 
> but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current 
> solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior 
> [1].
>
>
>
> I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the 
> menu or b) the red icon?
>
>
>
> [1] 
> https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Wicentowski  schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
>
> I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 
> Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line 
> command.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
>  wrote:
>
> I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac 
> GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t 
> able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it 
> actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and 
> whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
>
>
>
>
>
> MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
>
> Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening 
> on earlier versions.
>
> And the current and last several versions of BaseX
>
>
>
> — Steve M.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Michael Seiferle]

Hi Joe,
Hi list,

I remember having a shared screen-screen-session with Christian not too long 
ago, where we tried to pin down the issue and iirc “it worked back then” — but 
obviously not for too long. It’s a rather odd behavior

I fully agree with Joe, whether we click that little X or select Quit from the 
menu bar, the app should fully close.

We are looking into this again :-)

You may follow my progress here: https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/pull/2149

Best

Michael


Von: BaseX-Talk  im Auftrag von Joe 
Wicentowski 
Datum: Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 01:21
An: Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
Cc: BaseX 
Betreff: Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac
As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red window 
button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single window only 
apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows will keep the 
app open; apps that remain open after their windows are closed generally take a 
click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a new window.

But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the app. 
Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the red window 
button as a request to Quit.

A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or 
finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present the 
user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes the OS 
to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to fail, 
because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out unless you 
find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window where I ran 
the `basexgui` command.)

I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks!

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
mailto:sd...@virginia.edu>> wrote:
It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the 
red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.

— Steve.



On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün 
mailto:christian.gr...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, 
but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution 
may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1].

I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the 
menu or b) the red icon?

[1] 
https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584


Joe Wicentowski mailto:joe...@gmail.com>> schrieb am Di., 8. 
Nov. 2022, 20:54:
I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 
Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line 
command.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
mailto:sd...@virginia.edu>> wrote:
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac 
GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able 
to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually 
started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether 
it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.


MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on 
earlier versions.
And the current and last several versions of BaseX


— Steve M.

Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Joe Wicentowski]

As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red
window button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single
window only apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows
will keep the app open; apps that remain open after their windows are
closed generally take a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a
new window.

But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the
app. Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the
red window button as a request to Quit.

A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or
finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present
the user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes
the OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to
fail, because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out
unless you find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window
where I ran the `basexgui` command.)

I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks!

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <
sd...@virginia.edu> wrote:

> It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking
> the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.
>
> — Steve.
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java
> 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current
> solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default
> behavior [1].
>
> I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via
> the menu or b) the red icon?
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584
>
>
>
> Joe Wicentowski  schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
>
>> I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and
>> now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui`
>> command line command.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <
>> sd...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit
>>> the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I
>>> wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and
>>> when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this
>>> issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
>>>
>>>
>>> MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
>>> Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was
>>> happening on earlier versions.
>>> And the current and last several versions of BaseX
>>>
>>> — Steve M.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g)]

It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the 
red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu. 

— Steve. 


> On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, 
> but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current 
> solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior 
> [1].
> 
> I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the 
> menu or b) the red icon?
> 
> [1] 
> https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Wicentowski mailto:joe...@gmail.com>> schrieb am Di., 
> 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
> I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 
> Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line 
> command.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) 
> mailto:sd...@virginia.edu>> wrote:
> I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac 
> GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t 
> able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it 
> actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and 
> whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific. 
> 
> 
> MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
> Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening 
> on earlier versions. 
> And the current and last several versions of BaseX 
> 
> — Steve M. 
> 
> 



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Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Christian Grün]

Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java
11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current
solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default
behavior [1].

I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via
the menu or b) the red icon?

[1]
https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584



Joe Wicentowski  schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:

> I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now
> 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command
> line command.
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <
> sd...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>
>> I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the
>> Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I
>> wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and
>> when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this
>> issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
>>
>>
>> MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
>> Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was
>> happening on earlier versions.
>> And the current and last several versions of BaseX
>>
>> — Steve M.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Joe Wicentowski]

I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now
13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command
line command.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <
sd...@virginia.edu> wrote:

> I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the
> Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I
> wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and
> when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this
> issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
>
>
> MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
> Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was
> happening on earlier versions.
> And the current and last several versions of BaseX
>
> — Steve M.
>
>
>

[basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac

[Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g)]

I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac 
GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able 
to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually 
started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether 
it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific. 


MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on 
earlier versions. 
And the current and last several versions of BaseX 

— Steve M. 




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