HI all, It is clear from the message that there are issues. Squeak-dev, beginners, and vm-dev are not an appropriate place for a flame war. Could you please take us off your thread. I would also like to suggest to both of you that you find a way to solve the issues and work together. There is no solution between people without finding common ground. Find the common ground and work together or don't. The rest is a waste of your time and talent.
Respectfully submitted, Ron Teitelbaum > -----Original Message----- > From: beginners-boun...@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- > boun...@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Casey Ransberger > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:02 AM > To: Stéphane Ducasse > Cc: bo...@esug.org Board; Guillaume Ollivier; The general-purpose Squeak > developers list; Marcus Denker; A friendly place to get answers to even the > most basic questionsabout Squeak.; Squeak Virtual Machine Development > Discussion > Subject: [Newbies] Re: You said you'd get back to me > > Inline > > On Jun 1, 2011, at 2:35 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> > wrote: > > > Dear Casey > > > >> So, are you done with whatever crap you had to do with the French > military? > > > > This is not crap. Sorry but this is the security of our institute and its > > services. > > Non inria people cannot log on INRIA servers. This is the rule. I forgot > > to let > you know. > > I paid respect to you and that at the time. You told me to wait, and I did, > but > I'm done waiting on you. You said you'd get back to me, but clearly I was not > important enough to you for you to keep your word. > > > > >> Can I get started on CI for Squeak now? > > > > I do not think so because nobody from our team has the time for that. > > I kind of have to wonder if you didn't think you were posting on the Pharo > list > when you replied (I imagine, half awake) to my message to squeak-dev. > > I must have gotten confused and thought I should listen to you. > > >> Are you at liberty to explain why you chose to block my work over a local > governmental issue that shouldn't concern the Squeak community or any of > its efforts in the least? > > > > I think that your sentence above is a bit out of concern. > > I did not block anything. Now why do you think that the squeak community > could pretend anything on us? > > You asked me to wait, and you're the president of ESUG or something, so I > waited for you like a good dog. > > >> I'm not French and frankly I'm a bit livid that I've been waiting on you > >> and > the French government for this long: no government should ever stall open > source work. > > > > This is not the point. > > What's the point then, sir? I'm dying to know what it is. > > >> I'm a bit confused by the month of silence I've gotten out of you. > > > > I have a life too and not doing pharo all the time. I have been promoted > and I have a lot more duties. > > Oh, right you're busy. I think I mentioned quite a lot of respect for the work > you're doing in my first messages to you: did you read them? > > >> Aren't you the president of ESUG or something? Don't you have an > obligation to unblock people in the Smalltalk community or does that > responsibility only extend to Pharo in your mind? > > > > I really do not like the contents and implication of the sentence above. > > I did probably more to squeak than you and from that I imagine that people > should respect me. > > I did more to Smalltalk than people over the last 10 years so if you do not > realize that, think about it. > > I am not implying anything. I asked you a few pretty direct questions, and > you're avoiding answering them in a very passive-aggressive way, which is > kind of difficult to get behind. > > As far as your illustrious work with Smalltalk, are you referencing the crap > traits implementation or the actual act of dividing our community in half? > > Alan Kay doesn't seem to have a hell of a lot of problems with answering my > questions in a timely manner, and he isn't running ESUG, so at this point, > after slogging through the harder, more rigorous route to an MIT license, I > kind of have to wonder what your real problem actually is. > > > >> Seriously, man, what the hell? > > > > Seriously I strongly suggest you not to insult me because I do not like > > that. > > I'm not insulting you. I'm calling you out into the midway, sir. There's a > difference. > > Come out and dance if you know how sir, elsewise get the hell off the stage. > > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners