William My impression was that OO in Perl has historically been
fraught
with
William CPU overhead - this will change in Perl 6? (argument number
2)
FUD FUD FUD.
*All* late binding takes a bit of time. Perl caches what it can.
well, i'll be a mother's son! I figured that Perl had to have
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Objet : Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and
says
Perl is old news.
I didn't mean CGI, only standart types.
s.replace
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À : Perl Beginners List
Objet : Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and
says
Perl is old news.
I didn't mean CGI, only standart types.
s.replace(...) is a consequence of everything is object thinking
From: Nicolay A. Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I MEANT STANDART TYPES. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE? If you
assign the value for string variable it automaticaly gets the number
of methods belonging to String object. And as an example I wrote the
s.replace statement.. The similar approach
Hello!
This is very interesting thread. So, let me add some words to this.
(Sorry in advance my English).
Best of all, let me express my respect to Mr. Schwartz. I read your
Lama-book and I think that's very useful for every Perl newbie. I got
such chain: Lama-book, Camel-book and Cook-book
Perl is more powerful. Python is simpler. Python is for people
who don't want to master a language -- just use it casually.
This is no serious statement. Python is simple and power too. Read
please Bruce Eckel why he left Perl and came to Python.
At least, it's really object-oriented as
I mean real OO, but no perls dirty hack.
Perl has OO support. In my opinion those funny syntax get u the job
done quicker when your boss comes down to you with deadly deadlines.
~;-) I assume those syntax u are talking about is regular expression.
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http://www.soft411.com
Hi guys,
this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing
list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two
totally different things.
Both Perl and Python have it's place under the sun, both have very good
features, and some very difficult aspects, too. Both
Agreed!
Gabor Urban wrote:
Hi guys,
this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing
list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two
totally different things.
Both Perl and Python have it's place under the sun, both have very good
features, and some very
Nicolay == Nicolay A Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nicolay I mean real OO, but no perls dirty hack.
There is nothing dirty or hack about Perl's OO. It is as
functionally complete as nearly any other programming language.
--
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1
Dear mr. Schwartz!
Let me be unagreed. Functionally complete OO language at least means the
next thing: when I create some object (ie, declare some variable, maybe
string), this already have necessary methods like Python or Ruby. Even
C++ haven't such functionality. Of course Perl haven't this
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote:
Functionally complete OO language at least means the next thing: when
I create some object (ie, declare some variable, maybe string), this
already have necessary methods like Python or Ruby. Even C++ haven't
such functionality. Of course Perl
Nicolay == Nicolay A Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nicolay Let me be unagreed. Functionally complete OO language at least means
Nicolay the next thing: when I create some object (ie, declare some variable,
Nicolay maybe string), this already have necessary methods like Python or
Nicolay
To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me. CGI is a module,
earlier wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects.
Python and Ruby don't write the code for me. But look at this Python code:
s = I am Perl guru;
new_s = s.replace(Perl, Python);
Huh? Remark, no addition
From: Nicolay A. Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear mr. Schwartz!
Let me be unagreed. Functionally complete OO language at least means
the next thing: when I create some object (ie, declare some variable,
maybe string), this already have necessary methods like Python or
Ruby. Even C++ haven't
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote:
To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me.
There is a misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that it's Randal me.
CGI is a module, earlier
wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects.
And Python objects live where -- the
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:21:45 -0400 (EDT), Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote:
To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me.
There is a misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that it's Randal me.
CGI is a module, earlier
wrote and
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Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about
Python and says Perl is old news.
To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me
.
NYIMI Jose (BMB) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Nicolay A. Vasiliev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about
Python and says Perl is old news.
To Randal
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:04 +0200, Gabor Urban wrote:
Hi guys,
this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing
list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two
totally different things.
Don't be ridiculous, of course they don't compare, a horse is _way_
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:04 +0200, Gabor Urban wrote:
Hi guys,
this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing
list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two
totally different things.
Don't be ridiculous, of course they don't compare, a horse
Chris Devers wrote:
CGI is a module, earlier
wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects.
And Python objects live where -- the sky? The stars?
To create $cgi = new CGI you should make declaration use CGI,
shouldn't you? I meant only this
Python and Ruby don't
With this willing to treat everything as object you end up with
Ugly code such as the following:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/CgiScripts
(code snipped to save space)
i found the Python script to be very readable- i am far more comfortable
with Perl syntax, but it worked for me.
I
Nicolay == Nicolay A Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nicolay Python and Ruby don't write the code for me. But look at this Python code:
Nicolay s = I am Perl guru;
Nicolay new_s = s.replace(Perl, Python);
$s = I am a Perl guru;
($new_s = $s) =~ s/Perl/Python/;
No additional modules.
CGI is a module, earlier
wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects.
And Python objects live where -- the sky? The stars?
To create $cgi = new CGI you should make declaration use CGI,
shouldn't you? I meant only this
Err, you keep arguing about pointless
I didn't mean CGI, only standart types.
JupiterHost.Net wrote:
CGI is a module, earlier
wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects.
And Python objects live where -- the sky? The stars?
To create $cgi = new CGI you should make declaration use CGI,
shouldn't you?
Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote:
I didn't mean CGI, only standart types.
Everyone is just using your own examples as examples of why your
arguments are moot :)
That's the last .02 I'm spending on this crazy thread :)
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William == William M West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
William My impression was that OO in Perl has historically been fraught with
William CPU overhead - this will change in Perl 6? (argument number 2)
FUD FUD FUD.
*All* late binding takes a bit of time. Perl caches what it can.
--
Randal
John == John W Krahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John You might hurt his feelings, he didn't contribute to the third edition
John of Programming Perl.
Actually, it's worse than that. I contributed to it, but wasn't credited
for it or paid for it.
John Better to buy his latest book _Learning
I love your sense of humor! Made my morning.
Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
John == John W Krahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John You might hurt his feelings, he didn't contribute to the third edition
John of Programming Perl.
Actually, it's worse than that. I contributed to it, but wasn't credited
for
On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 13:19, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
John == John W Krahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John You might hurt his feelings, he didn't contribute to the third
edition John of Programming Perl.
Actually, it's worse than that. I contributed to it, but wasn't credited
for it or
Can you reveal anymore about this, as I read it on stonehenge too.
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/
Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
Does Randal write
On Wednesday 29 Sep 2004 03:19, you wrote:
You know, I'm kinda going through a similar thing. I wrote a script to
search for users in an LDAP directory and update an attribute at the same
time. I decided to write it in Perl because it looked so easy. And, it was.
Works like a champ. Being new
Gavin == Gavin Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gavin I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk
Gavin to say I shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is
Gavin better.
Perl is more powerful. Python is simpler. Python is for people
who don't want to master a
Randal L. Schwartz said:
Gavin == Gavin Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
kiss-ass
Wow I didn't know that you read this list. I am learning from your
book and I am catching up with all the columns you have ever published on
your site.
/kiss-ass
I am actually getting paid to learn Python now,
Gavin Henry wrote:
Randal L. Schwartz said:
Remember new coke, and how long we had that. (If you're old enough
to remember that fiasco.)
Again, thanks for this. My morale is now completely topped up, so I am
going to shell out for Programming Perl, although I do have the CD
Bookshelf 3.0 (better
John W. Krahn said:
Gavin Henry wrote:
Randal L. Schwartz said:
Remember new coke, and how long we had that. (If you're old enough
to remember that fiasco.)
Again, thanks for this. My morale is now completely topped up, so I am
going to shell out for Programming Perl, although I do have the
My what long lines you have :)
It may not be commercial grade but, who of us writes commerical applications all the time.
I do mostly, private corporate backends mostly among other things :)
I use it for the quick tasks and simple scripts also of course. (the
projects never end the same as
JupiterHost.Net said:
My what long lines you have :)
It may not be commercial grade but, who of us writes commerical
applications all the time.
I do mostly, private corporate backends mostly among other things :)
I use it for the quick tasks and simple scripts also of course. (the
projects
My what long lines you have :)
It may not be commercial grade but, who of us writes commerical
applications all the time.
I do mostly, private corporate backends mostly among other things :)
I use it for the quick tasks and simple scripts also of course. (the
projects never end the
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From: Wiggins d Anconia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:38 PM
To: JupiterHost.Net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Python and says Perl is old news.
My what long lines you have
Wiggins d Anconia wrote:
I like this thread, lots of opinions + not too many flames = productive
learning
U ignorant piece of uh sorry
hehe good one :)
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Gavin Henry wrote:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
Me too :)
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
Python is different not necessarily better.
Since starting to learn Perl though, every other language I started to
learn/t, C, PHP
JupiterHost.Net said:
Gavin Henry wrote:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
Me too :)
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
Python is different not necessarily better.
Since starting to learn Perl though, every other language
Paul Kraus said:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
Lets pretend we are mechanics we have this one tool that was passed on
down from generation to generation. It is our very very very favorite
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
I'm impressed, come to the Midwest in the US, around here they have only
heard of M$ and Cobol. Ironically, Python is showing its age, just look
at Ruby. Of
Gavin Henry wrote:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
My Good Lord, where have you been? Python is _already_ old news. Ruby,
baby! :-)
I am on the right path?
The right path is probably to learn
Wiggins d Anconia said:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
I'm impressed, come to the Midwest in the US, around here they have only
heard of M$ and Cobol. Ironically, Python is showing its
David Garamond said:
Gavin Henry wrote:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
My Good Lord, where have you been? Python is _already_ old news. Ruby,
baby! :-)
I am on the right path?
The right
On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 13:20, Gavin Henry wrote:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
THese days Python is gaining support in the field. But I do think it is
mainly hype.
I do think it is not
Gavin Henry wrote:
I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I
shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better.
Fortran, Cobol, Lisp, C and Basic are older and people still use them.
There are always people who will say that X is better then Y (and people
Gavin Henry wrote:
By the way, my program now works great thanks to your sub advice. I still
have some cleaning to do, like my resize sub abd incorporating file tests
etc.
You can see how bad my program is at:
http://www.perl.me.uk
It's called ebaypics
Advice from you in a new thread, would be
On Tuesday 28 Sep 2004 22:11, John W. Krahn wrote:
Gavin Henry wrote:
By the way, my program now works great thanks to your sub advice. I still
have some cleaning to do, like my resize sub abd incorporating file tests
etc.
You can see how bad my program is at:
http://www.perl.me.uk
You know, I'm kinda going through a similar thing. I wrote a script to search for
users in an LDAP directory and update an attribute at the same time. I decided to
write it in Perl because it looked so easy. And, it was. Works like a champ. Being new
to Perl, and this was my first script, I was
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