Re: [Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Cutts
On 4 Apr 2009, at 10:29 pm, Jason Riedy wrote: And Joe Landman writes: Good performance: -- GlusterFS PVFS2 I don't suppose you've experimented with Ceph or POHMELFS? I just attempted to build Lustre support for experimenting and remembered why I avoid it. And Lustre

[Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Jason Riedy
And Greg Lindahl writes: An example would be HDFS, the Hadoop Distributed FS. Last time I checked, it strongly encouraged marshaling into text. The libraries didn't have an obvious way to handle binary data, but that was from a somewhat cursory read by someone less than fully interested in Java

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread John Hearns
2009/4/5 Jason Riedy ja...@acm.org: I'm more shocked that no one has written up using cfengine for managing laptops.  It seems a perfect model.  With the more open development model, perhaps it'll come back.  But its competitors are more web 2.0 cool. Indeed. We are all just lumbering

[Beowulf] FPU performance of Intel CPUs

2009-04-05 Thread Залетнев Дмитрий
Definitely, it's a non-cluster question, but may be I'll get an answer: is there any remarkable difference in FPU performance between Extreme and non-Extreme Intel CPUs, e.g. QX9650 and Q9650? Dmitry Zaletnev ___ Beowulf mailing list,

Re: [Beowulf] Interesting google server design

2009-04-05 Thread Greg Byshenk
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 03:16:22PM +0200, Simon Hogg wrote: Robert G. Brown wrote: IIRC Google doesn't use server grade anything. They use OTC parts and do a running computation on failure rates and optimize price performance dynamically. They are truly industrial scale production here.

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Sabuj Pattanayek
Would a Sun/SGI merger have been a marriage made in heaven? No but rackable + supermicro + sgi would be interesting. ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit

Re: [Beowulf] SGI and Sun: In Memoriam

2009-04-05 Thread Douglas J. Trainor
On Apr 2, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: [...] At computerchess tournaments, end of 90s, i saw a representative of Sun brag loud about Sun machines, meanwhile he ran for his own software at a x86 pc. [...] I heard Sun engineers had to kick and scream before Sun management

Re: [Beowulf] X5500

2009-04-05 Thread Shannon V. Davidson
Greg Lindahl wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:05:26PM -0700, Ellis Wilson wrote: Though entertainingly put, it would be an error to say ECC is a requirement for everyone in a cluster group. I can think of more than just a few purposes for clusters that truly do not require the accuracy

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Joe Landman wrote: Mark Hahn wrote: Not every cluster FS we see is Lustre. so what are the non-lustre scalable options for cluster FS? Good performance: -- GlusterFS PVFS2 I have not been able to get even adequate performance out of GlusterFS, which

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Matt Lawrence
On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Interesting. Since I'm stuck using Red Hat and IBM, I've been hit by this on a 10TB storage shelf. Red Hat will only offer me ext3 and 8TB. IBM storage on a Megaraid card which handles the disks as one physical volume I'm using CentOS and the

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, John Hearns wrote: 2009/4/5 Jason Riedy ja...@acm.org: I'm more shocked that no one has written up using cfengine for managing laptops.  It seems a perfect model.  With the more open development model, perhaps it'll come back.  But its competitors are more web 2.0 cool.

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:50:59PM -0500, Matt Lawrence wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Interesting. Since I'm stuck using Red Hat and IBM, I've been hit by this on a 10TB storage shelf. Red Hat will only offer me ext3 and 8TB. IBM storage on a Megaraid card which handles

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:19:02PM -0700, Greg Lindahl wrote: Exactly like shared-bus multiprocessors. The incremental method of solving this is what Opteron/Nehalem does. None of these had to deal with hundreds or thousands of cores in a single socket yet (arguably GPGPU is pushing the

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 08:49:22PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:19:02PM -0700, Greg Lindahl wrote: Exactly like shared-bus multiprocessors. The incremental method of solving this is what Opteron/Nehalem does. None of these had to deal with hundreds or thousands

Re: [Beowulf] FPU performance of Intel CPUs

2009-04-05 Thread Mark Hahn
Definitely, it's a non-cluster question, but may be I'll get an answer: is there any remarkable difference in FPU performance between Extreme and non-Extreme Intel CPUs, e.g. QX9650 and Q9650? of course not - the chips are the same inside, so deliver exactly the performance you expect from

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Cutts
On 5 Apr 2009, at 4:00 pm, Jason Riedy wrote: A similar situation exists in the node management space, where existing solutions like CFengine were pretty much ignored by HPC people. Ha! Cfengine was pretty much ignored by *everyone*, including its author for quite some time. Promising (pun

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Cutts
On 5 Apr 2009, at 6:32 pm, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:50:59PM -0500, Matt Lawrence wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Interesting. Since I'm stuck using Red Hat and IBM, I've been hit by this on a 10TB storage shelf. Red Hat will only offer me ext3

Re: [Beowulf] FPU performance of Intel CPUs

2009-04-05 Thread Tiago Marques
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Mark Hahn h...@mcmaster.ca wrote: Definitely, it's a non-cluster question, but may be I'll get an answer: is there any remarkable difference in FPU performance between Extreme and non-Extreme Intel CPUs, e.g. QX9650 and Q9650? of course not - the chips are

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 10:00:44PM +0100, Tim Cutts wrote: It still is. Our machines run it once a day. I'm curious, do you also run it at boot? The one thing my usual scheme lacks is an easy boot-time should I rejoin the herd or not? check. -- greg

Re: [Beowulf] FPU performance of Intel CPUs

2009-04-05 Thread Mark Hahn
I'll get an answer: is there any remarkable difference in FPU performance between Extreme and non-Extreme Intel CPUs, e.g. QX9650 and Q9650? of course not - the chips are the same inside, so deliver exactly the performance you expect from their operating clock. same cache, same clock, same

[Beowulf] [hpc-announce] SC09 Tutorials: Submission deadline extended to April 13

2009-04-05 Thread Rajeev Thakur
DEADLINE EXTENDED TO APRIL 13, 2009 Call for SC09 Tutorial Proposals Experts in high performance computing are invited to share their expertise with the High Performance Computing (HPC) community by submitting proposals for tutorials at the SC09 conference to be held in Portland, Oregon,

[Beowulf] ssh authenticity issue

2009-04-05 Thread Francesco Pietra
Hi: I wanted to carry out a test of parallel installation of a molecular dynamics program (amber) operating directly on the parallel computer (the ssh daemon was stopped) The command (as user) make test /dev/null asked to confirm the RSA key fingerprint, unable to establish the authenticity of

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Joe Landman
Tim Cutts wrote: But you know what really gets me is that so many companies we've dealt with don't officially support Debian or Ubuntu, but when you talk to :) You might be talking to the wrong companies. Seriously ... We support Ubuntu. We'll support Debian with updated kernels/apps

Re: [Beowulf] ssh authenticity issue

2009-04-05 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 09:24:46PM +0200, Francesco Pietra wrote: I can't explain better the above /dev/null, just taken from amber's manual. It just means the makefile has some ssh commands in it that need the -n flag. As for your problem, perhaps it is sshing to localhost? ssh treats that

[Beowulf] Breaking: IBM pulls bid for Sun Microsoft+Yahoo redux

2009-04-05 Thread Joe Landman
Not sure if you've seen this yet, but Sun appears to have rejected the IBM bid as being insufficient. The claim is that they wanted out of the exclusivity bit, likely to try to get a better deal from someone else. So it seems IBM yanked the deal. Of course this is all hearsay, but it is on

Re: [Beowulf] Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Greg Lindahl
On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 10:10:18PM +0100, Tim Cutts wrote: But you know what really gets me is that so many companies we've dealt with don't officially support Debian or Ubuntu, but when you talk to their engineers, you discover that they do their actual development on it, and port to

Re: [Beowulf] Re: Rackable / SGI

2009-04-05 Thread Tim Cutts
On 5 Apr 2009, at 11:24 pm, Greg Lindahl wrote: On Sun, Apr 05, 2009 at 10:00:44PM +0100, Tim Cutts wrote: It still is. Our machines run it once a day. I'm curious, do you also run it at boot? The one thing my usual scheme lacks is an easy boot-time should I rejoin the herd or not? check.