Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Douglas Eadline
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 13:15:40 -0400, you wrote: > >>The answer given, and I'm >>not making this up, is that AMD listens to their users and gives the >>users what they want, and right now they're not hearing any demand for >>AVX512. >> >>Personally, I call BS on that one. I can't imagine anyone

Re: [Beowulf] [External] Re: AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Prentice Bisbal via Beowulf
Thanks for the input. I have looked at that Wikipedia page before, but never checked it that closely. I just looked mainly to see what processors supported what extensions. After taking a closer look at AVX-512, and all the different subdivisions, I see exactly what you're saying. It's a mess!

Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Brian Dobbins
Hi all, This is, in my humble opinion, also the big problem CPUs are facing. They > are > build to tackle all possible scenarios, from simple integer to floating > point, > from in-memory to disc I/O. In some respect it would have been better to > stick > with a separate math unit which then

Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Jörg Saßmannshausen
Dear all > System architecture has been a problem ... making a processing unit > 10-100x as fast as its support components means you have to code with > that in mind. A simple `gfortran -O3 mycode.f` won't necessarily > generate optimal code for the system ( but I swear ... -O3 ... it says > it

Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Jonathan Engwall
AVX-512 is SIMD and in that respect compiled Intel routines will run almost automatically on Intel processors. It's not like I was answering the question. I realize or under realize the implementation problems. You need to do a side by side comparison of the die. On Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 7:47 AM

Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 09:46:30AM -0400, Joe Landman wrote: > On 6/21/21 9:20 AM, Jonathan Engwall wrote: > > I have followed this thinking "square peg, round hole." > > You have got it again, Joe. Compilers are your problem. > > > Erp ... did I mess up again? > > Here's where awesome compiler

Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Joe Landman
On 6/21/21 9:20 AM, Jonathan Engwall wrote: I have followed this thinking "square peg, round hole." You have got it again, Joe. Compilers are your problem. Erp ... did I mess up again? System architecture has been a problem ... making a processing unit 10-100x as fast as its support

Re: [Beowulf] AMD and AVX512

2021-06-21 Thread Jonathan Engwall
I have followed this thinking "square peg, round hole." You have got it again, Joe. Compilers are your problem. On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:21 AM Joe Landman wrote: > (Note: not disagreeing at all with Gerald, actually agreeing strongly ... > also, correct address this time! Thanks Gerald!) > >