On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:54:35AM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
A few questions (not necessarily expecting a response):
POSIX?
VERBS?
Kernel latency and scheduler control?
Don't mistake me for a w2k8 apologist. I reamed them pretty hard on the
lack of a real posix infrastructure (they
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Cost of a decent motherboard these days with dual core/ dual processors?
www.pricewatch.com is one of your many friends here.
I may have to replace a very early Tyan with dual Opterons at 1.6G but
have case/disks/reasonable PSU. Damn thing keeps
On 16 Sep 2008, at 11:07 pm, Lux, James P wrote:
There is a huge psychological advantage to having the computer
physically under your management and control. You don't have folks
trying to optimize the use of a valuable institutional resource
with scheduling, etc. You might be willing
Gus Correa wrote:
Hi Joe and fellow Beowulf fans
Joe Landman wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Otherwise, your newbie scientist can put his/her earbuds and pump
up the volume on his Ipod,
while he/she navigates through the Vista colorful 3D menus.
Owie I can just imagine the folks squawking
On 9/16/08 11:49 PM, Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16 Sep 2008, at 11:07 pm, Lux, James P wrote:
There is a huge psychological advantage to having the computer
physically under your management and control. You don't have folks
trying to optimize the use of a valuable
I almost hate to throw this one out there, but does anyone remember the
SGI deskside series? Challenge, Origin, Onyx
These were fairly popular there in the mid to late 90's. We had one at
GFDL up until at least a year ago.
[I want to score one for my house to play with]
On Wed,
Lux, James P wrote:
But how is that any different than having a PC on your desk?
I see the deskside supercomputer as a revisiting of the
“workstation” class computer. Used to be that PCs and Apples were
what sat on most peoples desks, but some had Apollo or Sun or Perq
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 08:45 -0500, John Leidel wrote:
I almost hate to throw this one out there, but does anyone remember the
SGI deskside series? Challenge, Origin, Onyx
Having experience of all three, I suggest that it's a bit of a stretch
to refer to any of those as deskside.
I'm
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Huw Lynes
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 08:45 -0500, John Leidel wrote:
I almost hate to throw this one out there, but does anyone
remember the
SGI deskside series? Challenge, Origin, Onyx
Having experience of all three, I suggest that it's a
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From: Tim Cutts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 6:52 AM
To: Lux, James P
Cc: Prentice Bisbal; Beowulf
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] MS Cray
On 17 Sep 2008, at 2:22 pm, Lux, James P wrote:
But how is that any different than having a PC on your
Eric Thibodeau wrote:
Joe Landman wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Otherwise, your newbie scientist can put his/her earbuds and pump
up the volume on his Ipod,
while he/she navigates through the Vista colorful 3D menus.
Owie I can just imagine the folks squawking about this at SC08
Yes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 at 8:22am, Gerry Creager wrote
Gus Correa wrote:
Here is the link to the CX1 on the Cray web site:
http://www.cray.com/products/CX1.aspx
You need MS Explorer to customize/price it.
I just knew you had to be wrong, but sure enough, I can't see config options.
It's a
2008/9/17 Lux, James P [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. When mainframes first entered the halls of academe, I'm sure the same
sort of discussions arose. Heck, it's why computers like the PDP-8 were
invented.
Jim
Just let me correct you there. Surely PDP-8s were calculators or Data
Processing
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
Also, as one would expect, the hardware premium is hefty. A compute
blade with dual Xeon E5462s, 16GB RAM (8x2GB), and an 80GB HDD is $6656.
Without even trying too hard I can get a similarly configured 1U node
for $4400. So that's a 50% markup on nodes, not to
Gus Correa wrote:
Dear Beowulf fans
Since I posted the Cray CX1 announcement,
just to be fair to other players, here are some of them:
1) SiCortex has a Linux and MIPS (72 processors)
based deskside supercomputer.
They claim it to work with 300W of power.
Of course, being Linux, it requires
Joe Landman wrote:
Eric Thibodeau wrote:
Joe Landman wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Otherwise, your newbie scientist can put his/her earbuds and pump
up the volume on his Ipod,
while he/she navigates through the Vista colorful 3D menus.
Owie I can just imagine the folks squawking about
From: John Hearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:40 AM
To: Lux, James P; beowulf@beowulf.org
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] MS Cray
. When mainframes first entered the halls of academe, I'm sure the
same sort of discussions arose. Heck, it's why computers like
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua
Baker-LePain
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Gerry Creager
Cc: Beowulf
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] MS Cray
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 at 8:22am, Gerry Creager wrote
Gus Correa wrote:
Here is the link to the CX1
Hi Gerry and Beowulf fans
Gerry Creager wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Here is the link to the CX1 on the Cray web site:
http://www.cray.com/products/CX1.aspx
You need MS Explorer to customize/price it.
I just knew you had to be wrong, but sure enough, I can't see config
options.
Thanks
Gus Correa wrote:
Hi Gerry and Beowulf fans
Gerry Creager wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Here is the link to the CX1 on the Cray web site:
http://www.cray.com/products/CX1.aspx
You need MS Explorer to customize/price it.
I just knew you had to be wrong, but sure enough, I can't see config
I suspect Microsoft has been listening here. I also suspect this
machine will do ok in the business world, but somehow I
doubt they're
gonna see significant headway in a lot of the scientific
arenas.
Of course MS is on the list. Why not? Look back through the archives when CCS
was
Lux, James P wrote:
I suspect Microsoft has been listening here. I also suspect this
machine will do ok in the business world, but somehow I
doubt they're
gonna see significant headway in a lot of the scientific
arenas.
Of course MS is on the list. Why not?
Eric Thibodeau wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
BTW, the Cray web site was changed today,
and now I can configure/price the CX1 from Linux/Firefox.
I think I heard the Oh crap! from Cray from here when one of their
employees must have noticed the remarks on the BW ml ;)...this might
also explain why
Tim Cutts wrote:
On 17 Sep 2008, at 2:22 pm, Lux, James P wrote:
But how is that any different than having a PC on your desk?
I see the deskside supercomputer as a revisiting of the workstation
class computer. Used to be that PCs and Apples were what sat on most
peoples desks, but some
John Hearns wrote:
[...]
Just let me correct you there. Surely PDP-8s were calculators or Data
Processing whatchamacallits,
and emphatically NOT Computer Systems.
(A history lesson is called for here - I cannot remember the exact
terminology which allowed PDPs to be sold to individual labs
, there are many MPI+posix clusters out there, none that I
know of that run MS HPC.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Eric Thibodeau
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:28 PM
*To:* Lux, James P
*Cc:* Beowulf
*Subject:* Re: [Beowulf] MS Cray
On that node
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008, Gerry Creager wrote:
The CX1 looks like something I'd love next to my desk -- with Linux on it --
to accomplish testing before I take something to the big iron. It might even
allow me to pre- and post-process my data for hurricane WRF runs. It's not
hefty enough to let
Dear Beowulf and COTS fans
For those of you who haven't read the news today:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/16/cray_baby_super/
IGIDH (I guess it doesn't help.)
Gus Correa
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Gustavo J. Ponce Correa, PhD - Email:
Gus Correa wrote:
Dear Beowulf and COTS fans
For those of you who haven't read the news today:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/16/cray_baby_super/
IGIDH (I guess it doesn't help.)
Gus Correa
Quote from article:
It's also attempting to lure scientists and researchers with
John Hearns wrote:
2008/9/16 Prentice Bisbal [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
That will work great until the newbie scientists find that airflow into
a computer tucked in behind their desk where no one can see it is piss
poor, and that fans powerful enough to
and, a selfish plug:
http://insidehpc.com/2008/09/16/cray-announces-mini-supercomputer-line/
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 16:20 -0400, Gus Correa wrote:
Dear Beowulf and COTS fans
For those of you who haven't read the news today:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/16/cray_baby_super/
You got me. I saw that when I continued reading the article *after* my
post. I was hoping no one else read the article to the end.
Noise-cancellation devices may help keep the noise down, but the air
flow under or behind a desk is still a problem. Fans can only move air
if there's a place
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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:36 PM
Cc: Beowulf
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] MS Cray
Gus Correa wrote:
Dear Beowulf and COTS fans
For those of you who haven't read the news today:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/16/cray_baby_super/
IGIDH (I guess
It can be viewed as a seasonal machine.
To save energy in winter some institutions lower the
thermostat so that wearing a sweater is necessary.
Lucky is the parallel programmer with a mini-cray under
the desk.
A personal Cray does not simplify life for many people.
I heard someone say that the
Hi Prentice and Beowulf fans
Prentice Bisbal wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Dear Beowulf and COTS fans
For those of you who haven't read the news today:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/16/cray_baby_super/
IGIDH (I guess it doesn't help.)
Gus Correa
Quote from article:
It's also
Hi Joe and fellow Beowulf fans
Joe Landman wrote:
Gus Correa wrote:
Otherwise, your newbie scientist can put his/her earbuds and pump
up the volume on his Ipod,
while he/she navigates through the Vista colorful 3D menus.
Owie I can just imagine the folks squawking about this at SC08
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 06:39:20PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
The question that Cray (and every other vendor building non-commodity
units) is how much better is this than a small cluster someone can
build/buy on their own?
My impression has been that so far, there hasn't been a huge market
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