Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
Julia packaging https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/stdlib/Pkg/index.html On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 01:42, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:51:06 -0500, you wrote: > > >On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:50 PM Gerald Henriksen > wrote: > >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:26:42 +0100, you wrote: >

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
> * - note the HPC isn't unique in this regard. The Linux distributions > are facing their own version of this, where much of the software is no > longer packagable in the traditional sense as it instead relies on > language specific packaging systems and languages that don't lend > themselves to

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread Bogdan Costescu
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 4:27 PM John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: > I have come across this question in a few locations. Being specific, I am > a fan of the Julia language. Ont he Juia forum a respected developer > recently asked what the options were for keeping code developed on a laptop > in

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 13:51:05 +0100, you wrote: >Now I am all for connecting divers and flexible workflows to true HPC systems >and grids that feel different if not experienced >with (otherwise what is the use of a computer if there are no users making use >of it?), but do not make the mistake

Re: [Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Joe Landman
On 11/28/18 11:29 AM, Stu Midgley wrote: I agree 100% .  You can't beat bash and fortran. Heh ... for me it was Perl and Fortran, circa 1992-1995.  I automated some of my work flows.  Which was something rare back then.  Turns out leveraging automation for a parametric scan on long running

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread John Pellman
> > If HPC doesn't make it easy for these users to transfer their workflow > to the cluster, and the cloud providers do, then the users will move > to using the cloud even if it costs them 10%, 20% more because at the > end of the day it is about getting the job done and not about spending > time

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread INKozin via Beowulf
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 11:33, Bogdan Costescu wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 4:27 PM John Hearns via Beowulf < > beowulf@beowulf.org> wrote: > >> I have come across this question in a few locations. Being specific, I am >> a fan of the Julia language. Ont he Juia forum a respected developer >>

Re: [Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Peter St. John
Maybe I'm being too serious but in the old days, Fortran was the most mature, maintained compiler and the libraries were great, then later, C had better compilers but the libraries were still great. Now, I think the only good thing about Fortran is that it's pretty easy to learn? Peter On Wed,

[Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Edmon
Fortran is and remains an awesome language.  More people should use it: https://wordsandbuttons.online/fortran_is_still_a_thing.html -Paul Edmon- ___ Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing To change your subscription

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread Eliot Eshelman
Those interested in providing user-friendly HPC might want to take a look at Open OnDemand. I'm not affiliated with this project, but wanted to make sure it got a plug. I've heard good things so far. http://openondemand.org/ Eliot On 11/26/18 10:26, John Hearns via Beowulf wrote: This may

Re: [Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Edmon
It's still the case the for intense numerical analysis Fortran is best even though the gap between it and C has diminished.  Being a computational astrophysicist by training I can speak from experience that Fortran is superior to C for doing serious numerical work at scale.  What Fortran does

Re: [Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Stu Midgley
I agree 100% . You can't beat bash and fortran. On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 9:02 AM Paul Edmon wrote: > Fortran is and remains an awesome language. More people should use it: > > https://wordsandbuttons.online/fortran_is_still_a_thing.html > > -Paul Edmon- > >

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread mark somers
As a follow up note on workflows, we also have used 'sshfs like constructs' to help non technical users to compute things on local clusters, the actual CERN grid infrastructure and on (national) super computers. We built some middleware suitable for that many moons ago:

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
Bogdan, Igor. Thankyou very much for your thoughtful answers. I don not have much time today to do your replies the justice of a proper answer. Regarding the ssh filesystem, the scenario was that I was working for a well known company. We were running CFD simulations on remote academic HPC setups.

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread John Hearns via Beowulf
MArk, again I do not have time to give your answer justice today. However, as you are in NL, can you send me some olliebollen please? I am a terrible addict. On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 13:52, mark somers wrote: > Well, please be careful in naming things: > >

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread mark somers
Well, please be careful in naming things: http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/grid-cloud-hpc-whats-the-diff/ (note; The guy only heard about MPI and does not consider SMP based codes using i.e. OpenMP, but he did understand there are different things being talked about). Now I am all

Re: [Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018, Peter St. John wrote: Maybe I'm being too serious but in the old days, Fortran was the most mature, maintained compiler and the libraries were great, then later, C had better compilers but the libraries were still great. Now, I think the only good thing about Fortran is

Re: [Beowulf] Fortran is Awesome

2018-11-28 Thread Paul Edmon
Very true. I would never use Fortran for an OS.  From what I understand compiler writers still prefer Fortran as its easier to vectorize.  Thus if you want best vector performance from your code Fortran is it, mainly due to the easy of writing a compiler that can do so. In the end use the

Re: [Beowulf] HPC workflows

2018-11-28 Thread Jonathan Engwall
You can probably fork from a central repo. > ___ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >