Andrea,
Thanks for making the posters into a flyer sized format, outstanding!!
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
-Original Message-
From: Andrea Brin
they are pdf files that you can download and use at local events or with
ppo's:
http://www.berner.org/compilations/pdf_links.htm
To all of you, my extended family, a very Merry Christmas, Happy
Holidays, and a very healthy and Happy New Year!
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
Vicky,
I'm so sorry that you feel obligated to get raffle tickets, just be sure
that you don't put any tickets on the things that I want to win! VBG
www.overthefence.com/raffle/BARC/
And you're right, I never ask people who brag about therapy work to
donate to the Brag Fund, they are
Shelley,
I can't take any credit, Barry did that all himself as far as I know!
It's a very nice site too! So thank you for the preaching, it obviously
helped make an impression!
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
-Original Message-
From: jesse shelley gonzales
He now has a website,
Coleen asked for an update on the Histio research, and the bad news is
that they are getting more of the samples they need. The good news is
that they are getting more of the samples they need. Thanks to all of
you who are participating, we owe you a great deal!
I haven't seen this answer yet, but I'm not current on all the List
traffic yet.
Carob has no chocolate in it, and also has no theobromine, so I suppose
it would be safe for dogs. Does anyone know for sure?
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
Just to let all you new List members know, there are a number of
articles about health issues:
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/
The articles explain the health issue, then compile a number of
experiences shared by members of the Berner-L.
There is also a copy of the article
I've gotten several emails lately from people who were concerned, they
had been told that people received emails from them that they hadn't
sent. They all did the right thing, they immediately scanned their
systems for viruses and found none.
Chances are that those emails did not originate from
Jordan,
I guess the best answer is, a little of all of the choices. There is
certainly an element of chance, and in at least two of the cancers (mast
cell, histiocytosis) there is also an element of genetics. Maybe some
environmental causes, life style, who knows!
We don't have the answers to
Good night all, I'm headed out tomorrow morning for an actual vacation!
Paul and I are headed for Vienna, Austria - first vacation together
without dogs in 14 years; he won't let me count dog shows as vacations.
I'll be back online by the 15th of December, so until then -
Happy holidays, happy
Barbara,
I put together a poster to display at the Philadelphia Dog Show about
the costs of owning a berner, it's a list of normal first year costs,
and a list of the costs of various genetic based problems that reputable
breeders attempt to minimize, and a list of costs to breeders for
testing
-Original Message-
From: Joanne Gerow
The best part is my dog is now a Canadian Champion!
Joanne,
That is a definite brag, and a great one at that! Congratulations!!
Are you familiar with the Berner-L Brag Fund? It's voluntary, all
donations from $0 to $1,000,000 are cheerfully
Reposted for the digest members, it was completely garbled for some
reason!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Pet insurance
I was found by a Berner
WOOO ! You go TEAMS
Pat
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Clark Kris
Osojnicki
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 2 Double Q's in agility!
Clark and I both earned Double Q's today, on our
And I'm thankful for being in love with a breed of dog that attracts
people Like Joye Neff to it! We have so many very special people in our
circle of Berner friends, I'm so happy I'm a part of it!
To everyone, a very healthy and happy holiday season - and hug those
dogs!!
Pat Long, a babysat
No GDC evaluations are verifiable on line, and not all of the unaffected
GDC certifications are going to be in Berner-Garde. Most of them are,
but not all. But with enough motivation, you can contact GDC and hound
them for the actual certifications. You don't get the actual
certifications on the
I feel like an idiot asking this again, my apologies to all!
I have a beautiful puppy photo of Cabot that was emailed to me ages ago,
I'd love to send a copy of it to an artist to use as a subject for a
painting for a future fundraiser, but I'd like to get permission!!
Whose puppy? I know I was
Joye,
What day are you drawing the winning ticket (I should say MY winning
ticket!)? How much time to I have to tell you how much additional money
I'll be sending?
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
I love horses and ponies too! Guess if you love big dogs mostly you
will love other big animals!
Nope. No way.
Pat
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I need to start over to get Teddy sent to NJ I seem to have enough help
from Pa...but need help from Wisconsin to PA...Can you post this?
Thank you ...Ellen K.
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Someone bought be tickets as a thank you, it was a wonderful surprise!
It was a lovely way for someone to tell me that they appreciated
something that I had done for them.
If you want to thank someone for training tips, advice, help in finding
information, whatever, buying them a ticket either
Susan,
Berner-Garde did work on coordinating that effort, but for the study at
Fred Hutchinson they were unable to use the specific sample types that
had been collected for UC Davis. They need fresh blood samples from dogs
with histio, and for the UC Davis collection for DNA study, we submitted
Passing this along for everyone to take a look at:
Hello all: A petition has been put up to help get Justice for the
Montana/Alaska collies. You can go here to sign petition,
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Cindy/
Please send to everyone you know, no matter what breed or where in
Before everyone gets all excited, Julene has AOL version 6.0, which
still had a plain text option.
AOL 7.0 and I suspect 8.0 do not have a plain text option. Their
technical support people don't all know that, so don't let them confuse
you either. Unless you have the very early release of the 7.0
Of course, if I know Joye (and I do), then she's probably going to allow
procrastinators all next week to get their donations in - I'll bet all
you need to do is to let her know that they are on their way!!
Joye - mine should be in the mail if you don't have it already!!!
Pat Long, a babysat
I had some ISP problems, I'm playing catch-up here, forgive me if things
have already been answered.
Dr. Padgett and a group studied several types of cancer, and were able
to conclude at that time that only histio and mast cell definitely had a
hereditary basis in the breed. He is studying
Dear Olivier,
Welcome to the Berner-L, and thank you for your request for information
on the breed, I hope we can help answer some of your questions!
The first question is the one I'd like to focus on, the heat and
humidity of Taiwan. Year round heat and humidity sounds like it would
negate the
I just heard from Barry Scheiber, author of Nose to Nose, and the air
date for his interview with Martha Stewart is to be on the Friday after
Thanksgiving. He will be there with his Berner, Moritz, talking about
the Delta Society and pet therapy.
I don't watch much TV, what station and what time?
Has anyone seen the newly improved By Jove website? It's easier to buy
stuff.
AIII, just what I needed...
Anyway, it's there with new items - all of which I probably need. I'm
sure the other Berner sites have done the same, now to check all of them
to update my Christmas list - it just
I received a $2 IAMS coupon in the mail, it expires at the end of this
year, can anyone use it?
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
Jeanne,
By Jove has it, do a search on Nose to Nose and don't look at anything
else on the site!
www.byjove.net
Trust me.
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
Jean,
For the purpose of this research, it matters a great deal. Histio has
been determined to have a genetic component, and it is the possibility
of finding the genes that drives this research. But I think it's fitting
that Sam's puppy picture is the basis for the one painting, even if it
wasn't
Deborah,
If you can teach your puppy to go down those 5 stairs gently, it will
pay off in years to come! And if you can keep Henley from leaping off
the top of that porch right to the ground, please share your secret! It
seems impossible to imagine now that he's only 8 weeks, but he's going
to be
Maria,
That's exactly how my book is marked, thank you for posting the results.
And thank you for spending time at the show talking to people and
helping to educate.
I can't thank all of the exhibitors enough, it's a very long weekend,
and everyone who is there deserves a round of applause -
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From: sandra ongemach
Would someone send out the website address where I can send people to
find what all the definitions mean ...
is there a simple address I can pass on to the novices trying to learn
how to read a pedigree, etc.
All of you in the Greater Philadelphia region, do yourselves a big favor
and stop in the Fort Washington Convention Center sometime this weekend!
The Philly dog show takes place today and tomorrow, 38 Berners entered
today, 31 tomorrow. They show at 9:15 this morning, and 11:30 tomorrow.
But it's
In case anyone is unaware, we did have some issues with the List
Processor yesterday, one of the other lists had an error that caused the
list owner to go over quota which generated an error which... well,
caused a major loop.
It took awhile to get things cleared and caught up, but we should be
Mie,
If you can help design a poster on Reasons to spay/neuter, I can help
make the poster! You'll see some of the latest posters I've done this
weekend - at the Philadelphia dog show!! See you there!!
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
-Original Message-
From: M Kingsley
Hi All - Anyone
Sandy,
I think you are looking at this one the wrong way. No one should promise
to finish a dog if they don't want to do it. It's a lot of work and a
lot of expense. Promising to get a CH on a dog if they don't plan to do
it is not good for either the breeder or the owner. It's not a contract
Passing this along in plain text for Helen:
In NJ -- 18 month, male, neutered, bred by Grace Bloemart in Alberta,
Canada.
Owner has an older Golden and a fenced yard and has done all she can
to civilize this dog. He is VERY hyper -- destroys everything; chewed
his way out of a metal crate, digs
should we adopt, as a group, the practices for sale of dogs that we
feel are reasonable and in the dogs' best interest so we set ourselves
apart as a group from the rest of the dog breeders?
Ruth,
In the breeder checklist I put together several years ago, I have a
section on guarantee and
Sandy,
Absolutely, I agree with you! Without being a breeder, I will never
understand what I would do in similar circumstances. I know there are
some very hard decisions, and without being in the position of having to
make them, I'm only a Monday morning quarterback.
As a pet owner, I'm grateful
Someone's been busy, we have a bunch of links to Berner Stuff in the
Berner Links directory! Go to www.berner.org, select Links Directory,
then select Stuff
There's a link to some new stuffed dogs, but I didn't see Berners, did I
miss it?
Enjoy!!!
And thanks to the links elf!!
Pat Long (
Good question, and one that I can only answer from the buyer's side.
I'm a bit strange, I don't want a guarantee. What I want is a breeder
who is honest, has done the best job they could to produce a litter of
healthy puppies, shares all the known health information about the
lines, and a breeder
Tracey,
There is a BMDCA Information Bulletin on the different health issues
affecting Bernese, take a look there and then if you have any questions,
I'll be happy to try to help answer them!
www.bmdca.org
click on BMD Info Series, then click on Health Issues in Bernese
Mountain Dogs.
The best series of articles about hip dysplasia were in Dog World, and
written by John C. Cargill, MA MBA, MS and Susan Thorpe-Vargas, MS. I'm
going to quote from some of the articles here:
From the 1st article:
Conclusions: Hip dysplasia is not something a dog acquires; a dog either
is
Would anyone have a bit of time to write up and explanation of the OFA
and GDC certification numbers and how to read them, how to verify them,
and anything else? I think it would be extremely helpful!
Pat Long ( Luther)
Berwyn PA
We had what I suspect is a virus sent to the list again from gilmargirl.
That address has been deleted, and I know that there will be digest
problems like we had with 4094, which was the last time the same thing
happened.
This email is mostly to let the digest recipients know to ask for
another
Forwarded in plain text for Sherry:
I can not agree more with this statement..When I sell puppies I ask that
they be x-rayed and the films sent to me.. I then include the films in a
litter packet and send them on to OFA.
I have to tell you that I have seen MANY films that have been sent to me
by
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Bernese Mountain Dog Club of Watchung
Annual Fall Berner Walk
This SATURDAY, November 9, 2002
Time: 11:00 am
Just a quick note, anyone who is dropped from the List (error messages
indicating a full email box, or server problems are the typical reasons)
can always contact me or any of the error crew for help. The service
center is also available for postpones, activations, deletions and
subscriptions:
Dana,
I've long wanted to see some changes to the membership process, I would
think people might be willing to pay some sort of additional fee to have
the Alpenhorn delivered immediately while the membership process is
ongoing? Would that be reasonable?
One of the reasons that the process takes
Posted in plain text for Kathy:
In a recent posting about canine acne it was suggested pure tea tree oil
be used. A word of caution, there are different types (strength) of
tea tree oil and on some animals and humans with sensitive skin the pure
oil may burn.
Also if the dog licks the oil
Coleen,
Using the 2000 Health Survey data, out of 45 deaths from histio, the age
range was:
45 months - 125 months, or not quite 4 years to just over 10
years.
The percentage of dogs over the age of 10 years was 13.9%
Looking at just the ones that were autopsied, there were 29 histio
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