Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread Gyan Mishra
Alvaro Very good points brought up on the limitations on the tunnel encapsulation attribute BGP prefix sid sub tlv. Can only be used with BGP LU AFI / SAFI. Kind Regards Gyan On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:12 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: > On May 14, 2021 at 1:04:53 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > >

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread Gyan Mishra
Adrian In the introduction it mentions the following backbone transport: The various ASes that provide connectivity between the Ingress and Egress Domains could each be constructed differently and use different technologies such as IP, MPLS with global table routing native BGP to the

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi John I agree with your comments that the scenario I mentioned is covered in Section 3 and agree as well on the RFC 2119 keyword usage scrub. In-line On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 3:55 PM John Scudder wrote: > Hi Gyan, > > > On May 17, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Gyan Mishra wrote: > > > > So if GW2

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread John Scudder
Hi Adrian, Comments in line below. > On May 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > Hi John, > > Thanks for the careful review. > >> DISCUSS: >> >> I have several points I’d like to discuss, listed below from most >> general to most

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread Alvaro Retana
On May 14, 2021 at 1:04:53 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: Hi! I share some of John's concerns -- quick comment on the first one. ... > > 1. There’s surprisingly little in this document that seems to be > > SR-specific (and what there is, has some problems, see below). Is there > > some reason you

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread John Scudder
Hi Gyan, > On May 17, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Gyan Mishra wrote: > > So if GW2 connection to external was down but GW1 still has its connection to > external. GW2 would auto discover GW1 over iBGP and GW2 would advertise both > GW1 and GW2 as reachable gateways. However GW2 has its external peer

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread John Scudder
, and your spec would make matters worse. It might be worth acknowledging this issue somewhere in the document?” I hope this is clearer now. Thanks, —John > Cheers, > Adrian > > From: John Scudder > Sent: 14 May 2021 22:25 > To: Adrian Farrel > Cc: The IESG ; draft-

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-17 Thread Gyan Mishra
we remedy this situation. > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > *From:* John Scudder > *Sent:* 14 May 2021 22:25 > *To:* Adrian Farrel > *Cc:* The IESG ; > draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gate...@ietf.org; bess-cha...@ietf.org; > bess@ietf.org; Matthew Bocci > *Sub

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Bocci Subject: Re: John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Having re-read Section 3 carefully (and skimmed the rest) I still think what the document says (as opposed to what’s in the authors’ heads?) is the first description I give below. Let

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-15 Thread Gyan Mishra
Section 3 verbiage below describes the re-advertisement of current set of GWs due to GW being added or deleted. So the blackhole John mentioned due to a GW being disconnected from backbone should not occur. As described in Section 1

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread Gyan Mishra
Adrian & Authors please correct me if I misspeak the way I read the draft. I did not see in the draft stating explicitly how the internal DC GW routes are advertised which I believe implicitly done via standard BGP AFI / SAFI route propagation natively over the SR domain. So for example if the

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Adrian I may have missed this in the draft but the solution for this failover scenario is if each GW can only advertise itself, which I think that is stated in section 3 then GW1 can only advertise itself via tunnel encapsulation attribute and not GW2 as GW2 can only advertise itself when it’s

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Adrian I believe what John is describing is a valid failure scenario where one of the GWs is no longer a valid gateway because it’s eBGP peering to core domain is down, however the routing underlay is stable between the GWs within the DC site. We are assuming the GWs at the site run an IGP to

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread John Scudder
Having re-read Section 3 carefully (and skimmed the rest) I still think what the document says (as opposed to what’s in the authors’ heads?) is the first description I give below. Let me know if you want me to walk through my reasoning in detail with reference to the document. —John On May

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi John, The way I understood this is intending to work in practice is simply to create IBGP session between GW1 & GW2, If we have this IBGP session then there are two cases: * we receive route to X from peer GW so we know peer GW can reach X hence it is safe to advertise X with both GWs as NHs

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread John Scudder
Hi Adrian, Thanks for your reply. Pressed for time at the moment but one partial response: On May 14, 2021, at 1:04 PM, Adrian Farrel mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk>> wrote: Agree with you that "stuff happens." I think that what you have described is a window not a permanent situation. When GW2

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi John, Thanks for the careful review. > DISCUSS: > > I have several points I’d like to discuss, listed below from most > general to most specific. > > 1. There’s surprisingly little in this document that seems to be SR-specific > (and what there is, has some problems, see below). Is there some

Re: [bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-05-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
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[bess] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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