Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-02

2020-06-22 Thread Sam Aldrin
Support this as co-author.
Not aware of any IPR which was not disclosed pertaining to this draft

Sam

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 3:55 AM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <
matthew.bo...@nokia.com> wrote:

> This email starts a two-week working group last call for
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-02
>
>
>
> Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also,
> please indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track
> RFC.
>
>
>
> This poll runs until Monday 29th June 2020.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to
> this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with
> IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this document please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from
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>
> There is currently no IPR disclosed.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matthew & Stephane
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Re: [bess] WG Last Call and IPR Poll fordraft-ietf-bess-evpn-oam-req-frmwk-02

2020-06-22 Thread Donald Eastlake
Hi,

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 5:12 AM  wrote:
> Hi Matthew, Stephane and Authors,
>
> After reading through this draft, I think it's very useful and
> well-written, so I support its publication.

Thanks for your support and comments.

> I also have several specific comments as follows.
>
> In section 2.2, it says
>
> "
> The EVPN PE SHOULD support MEP
>  functions in the applicable service OAM protocol. This includes both
>  Up and Down MEP functions.
> "
>
> In my opinion it's reasonable to include Down MEP functions, which
> means sending OAM messages between EVPN PE and CE, but UP MEP
> functions should be excluded, because that means sending OAM
> messages between EVPN PEs, which I think doesn't belong to EVPN
> Service OAM. My understanding is that for any kind of EVPN Service
> OAM it must include CE, if an OAM mechanism runs between EVPN PEs,
> then this OAM mechanism belongs to EVPN Network OAM or EVPN
> Transport OAM.

Replying just for myself, I believe MEPs are logically in ports. What
we are talking about here is the MEP logically located in the
CE-facing port of the PE. Certainly down MEP functions from there go
to the CE. I think UP MEP functions would go to the UP MEP logically
located in the CE facing port of a remote PE. So, this is PE-to-PE and
similar to EVPN Network OAM, which runs from the brain of one PE to
the brain of another, but not identical. So I do not see any reason
why both should not be available.  Perhaps these distinctions should
be clarified in the text.

> In section 2.2, it says
>
> "
> The EVPN PE SHOULD advertise any MEP/MIP local to the PE as a MAC/IP
>  Advertisement route. Since these are not subject to mobility, they
>  SHOULD be advertised with the static (sticky) bit set (see Section
>  15.2 of [RFC7432]).
> "
>
> In my opinion "MEP/MIP" should be substituted by "MIP", because as I
> said above, the MEP at the EVPN PE should be a Down MEP, it's peer
> MEP is at locally attached CE, there is no need to advertise it to
> remote PEs.

See my response above. By the way, I think if there is a MIP at PE1
then an UP MEP at a remote PE can run through the MIP to a CE local to
PE1 (actually, to be precise, to the PE facing port of that CE).

> In section 3.1.2.2, it says
>
> "EVPN Service OAM mechanisms only have visibility to the PEs but not
>  the MPLS/IP P nodes. As such, they can be used to deduce whether the
>  fault is in the customer's own network, the local CE-PE segment or
>  remote CE-PE segment(s). EVPN Network and Transport OAM mechanisms
>  can be used for fault isolation between the PEs and P nodes."
>
> Considering in section 2.3 the first sentence reads "EVPN Network
> OAM is visible to the PE nodes only", I suggest to rephrase this
> paragraph possibly as below:
>
> "EVPN Service OAM and EVPN Network OAM mechanisms only have
> visibility to the PEs but not the MPLS/IP P nodes. As such, they can
> be used to deduce whether the fault is in the customer's own
> network, the local CE-PE segment, the PE-PE segment or the remote
> CE-PE segment(s). EVPN Transport OAM mechanisms can be used for
> fault isolation between the PEs and P nodes."

Your suggested change looks OK to me.

> Section 3.1.2.1, there is a typo, s/to rest a representative path
> between PEs/to test a representative path between PEs.

OK, we'll fix that.

Thanks,
Donald
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>
> Xiao Min
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> Please review the draft and send any comments to the BESS list. Also, please 
> indicate if you support publishing the draft as a standards track RFC.
>
>
>
> This poll runs until Monday 29th June 2020.
>
>
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this 
> Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR 
> rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this document please 
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any 
> relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from 
> all the Authors and Contributors.
>
> There is currently no IPR disclosed.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Matthew & Stephane

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