Re: [Bf-committers] Use of semantic versioning

2018-12-09 Thread Harley Acheson
Personally, I cannot wait to see the amazing changes that we will
see as move from version 2.80 to 2.90 and then to 2.100

LOL
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Re: [Bf-committers] Use of semantic versioning

2018-12-09 Thread Rojuinex
> - Windows jumped from 8 to 10

Interestingly the reason for this was not for PR or marketing reasons but for 
compatibility. Even though windows has an internal version number it was 
apparently common to check the product name to see if it began with "Windows 9" 
to determine if an application was being run on Windows 95 or 98.

Windows had started out with a numbered scheme Windows 1.0, Windows 2.0 Windows 
3.0 but changes with the introduction of New Technology, abbreviated NT, 
Windows new kernel and OS not based off the old DOS architecture.  After 
Windows NT they switched to a yearly naming scheme; 95, 98, ME, 2000. XP was 
short for eXPerience because reasons. Vista was a graphic overhaul so it was a 
new sight ie "vista". The obviously came next 7, 8, 8.1, and 10.

Who knew changing a product naming scheme so often would cause problems?

Personally I haven't found any confusion with blenders naming scheme (I too am 
a Software Engineer for several years).  Though with all the major breaking 
changes in 2.8x, 3.0 could have made sense.  But I think every .x jump in 
Blender has usually brought pretty significant changes and I feel like the 
community is conditioned to expect major changes when the tenths place changes.

Thanks,
Caleb
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Re: [Bf-committers] Use of semantic versioning

2018-12-09 Thread Ricardo Nunes
Personally I find this naming scheme rather appropriate. I definitely would
have personally found it attention seeking if this release just jumped from
2.79 to 3.00


la 8. jouluk. 2018 klo 21.33 Benjamin Humpherys (
benjamin.humphe...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:

> Here’s my splash of paint on this bike shed:
>
> I think bumping to 3.0 would be appropriate because of all the
> backward-incompatible changes being made with the removal of BGE and BI,
> and that the Python API has changed enough to break nearly every single
> add-on out there. The addition of EEVEE, GP, UI overhaul, etc are big
> enough to consider this a major release, but I think breaking compatibility
> is the best reason for a major version jump.
>
> > On Dec 8, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Chad Fraleigh  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12/8/2018 3:58 AM, Mick Lawitzke wrote:
> >> it is really awesome to see the latest development of Blender. I am
> super impressed and hyped for what is coming. Anyway i think there is a big
> flaw that also results in a problem with marketing: Your versioning numbers
> suggest that 2.80 is just a minor update to 2.79 and people call it 2.8
> (eight) instead of 2.80 (eighty).
> >> I am a software developer for 15 years now and i highly recommend you
> to use semantic versioning:
> >> - Current version is Blender 2.79 but what if you do bugfixes on 2.79,
> you would not call it 2.80 right? A better approach would be to call it
> 2.79.0 and then a bugfix makes it 2.79.1. The current latest version might
> be 2.79.102 if there were 102 patches on that version.
> >> - The next version would be 2.80.0. But since you worked 3 years on
> that and introduce so many awesome improvements and changes this is a major
> update and would introduce Blender 3.0.0 (Or short just Blender 3).
> >
> > It does use semantic [compatible] versioning, just not in standard
> dot-notation. Think of it more like 2.[], where the
> leading 2 is [mostly] meaningless (similar to JDK versions 1.2, 1.3, 1.4,
> ... where the 1 part is basically ignored).
> >
> > Blender -> "standard" dot notation examples:
> >
> > 2.7 -> 2.7.0.0
> > 2.70 -> 2.7.0.0
> > 2.78 -> 2.7.8.0
> > 2.78a -> 2.7.8.1
> > 7.78b -> 2.7.8.2
> >
> >
> >> From marketing perspective a "Blender 3" would have a much bigger
> impact than just an update from "2.79" to "2.80" which is also incorrectly
> called "2.8", too.
> >
> > 2.8 is shorthand for 2.8x, like "version 4" is shorthand for 4.x (in
> standard dot notation).
> >
> >
> >> In addition to that i just wanted to mention, that some big projects
> skipped a version to make the latest update even more obvious:
> >> - Windows jumped from 8 to 10
> >> - PHP jumped from 5 to 7
> >> This could be an option for Blender, too, to improve the marketing even
> further: Jump from 2.79 to Blender 4. But in my opinion a jump to 3 would
> already do the job.
> >
> > Ugh.. manipulative, fake version jumps is for products that care more
> about PR than actual quality. And it is anti-semantic versioning, since it
> breaks the logical/meaningful progression it was designed for (instead of
> projects just picking versions out of a hat, all willy nilly).
> >
> >
> > Personally, I've always thought it was a little confusing, too, but for
> backward compatibility, that's what it is. Of course, when it eventually
> gets past version 2.99, there might be an opportunity to move to standard
> notation (e.g. 3.[.], then 4.x.x, ...) without breaking the
> 2.x numbering style. Another option could be to market it as "Blender 8"
> (where the 2.* is ignored), but still use 2.8x elsewhere (however, that is
> confusing just like what java/JDK did). Maybe "jumping" to version 8.x (for
> technical realignment, not trying-to-impress PR reasons). Really, 9.x would
> be the earliest this could be done since 2.8x is already so heavily
> ingrained. The last option would be my vote, given that 2.9x planning is
> probably little more than a concept at this point and could easily be made
> 9.x.
> >
> > So there's my 2 1/2 cents on the subject. Any similarity between my
> thoughts and those of a raving madman may be more than just coincidental. =)
> >
> >
> > -Chad
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Re: [Bf-committers] Planned maintenance on the development server

2018-12-09 Thread Sergey Sharybin
Hi,

The maintenance is over, and we are now running latest OS and software on
the development server.

Let me know if something is misbehaving.

P.S. There is a background indices optimization process is running, so
ignore the warning reported by Phabricator if you see it.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 2:37 PM Sergey Sharybin  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We've planned maintenance on our development server which hosts:
>
> - builder.blender.org
> - developer.blender.org
> - git.blender.org
> - svn.blender.org
>
> The server will receive OS update. Additionally, we will update our
> developer.b.o install to a latest Phabricator website.
>
> We start on this Sunday at noon CET time, and expect to be finished in 3
> hours. During this time some services will not be available or will work
> with interruption.
> We will be doing extra announcement on our #blendercoders IRC channel.
>
> --
> With best regards, Sergey Sharybin
>


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