Re: Host command timing out sporadically

2012-05-03 Thread Tony Finch
Lyle Giese l...@lcrcomputer.net wrote:

 Don't use host.  It's not telling us what is going wrong and it's only doing
 an A record lookup of host name.

I agree dig is better for serious debugging, but for a quick check host
isn't as bad as you suggest.

$ host dotat.at
dotat.at has address 212.13.197.229
dotat.at has IPv6 address 2001:ba8:1e3::
dotat.at mail is handled by 1 ppsw-mx-a.csi.cam.ac.uk.
$ host nx.dotat.at
Host nx.dotat.at not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
$ host bad-delegation.dotat.at
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
$

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Re: Max Client per Query

2012-05-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 30.04.12 13:54, Rafael Molina wrote:
   I need information about how works max client per query and 
client per query ?


if multiple clients send the same query, bind won't try to resolve 
multiple times, but wait until the answer comes. It needs to know which 
clients asked for that.


   I want to limit  number query done by a client. The usage of 
resources in my equipments is very high specially in my firewall.


either you have misconfigured or misbehaving client, or you need 
to upgrade your dns server. By limiting queries you may cause troubles 
to your clients.


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Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread Samad Agha
Dear DNS/BIND gurus,

I am the sole Unix/Linux/Backup Admin for a midsize city in California. I
also inherited a old DNS/BIND (BIND 8.2.2-P5) system running on a
Sun-Fire-V210 with Solaris 8 on it. The city is comprised of a hotchpotch
 of many Windows domains/domain-controllers, WINS servers, and Windows
based recursive DNS servers. My DNS/BIND skill set is elementary and I
just ordered two DNS books to start learning it in depth (DNS  BIND
Cookbook and DNS and BIND; 5th
Editionhttp://www.amazon.com/dp/0596100574/ref=pe_175190_21431760_C1_cs_sce_dp_3
).

1- Is it possible to treat the entire environment as brand new, start
building a couple of Linux name servers running the latest and greatest
BIND S/W, start populating it in parallel with our current production
system, and once the new system is completely up and running, turn off the
two Sun-Fire-V210s.

2- If step#1 is possible, as a minimum (H/W, S/W) what do I need for a
complete DNS/BIND system satisfying all the city's DNS needs
(internal/external resolutions).

Any architectural/implementation/best practices advice would be highly
appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,
SA
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Re: Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread Eivind Olsen
Samad Agha wrote:

 1- Is it possible to treat the entire environment as brand new, start
 building a couple of Linux name servers running the latest and greatest
 BIND S/W, start populating it in parallel with our current production
 system, and once the new system is completely up and running, turn off the
 two Sun-Fire-V210s.

Absolutely! Since you're currently running BIND 8, I don't expect you to
be using many advanced features, and hopefully you have a fairly standard
configuration.

 2- If step#1 is possible, as a minimum (H/W, S/W) what do I need for a
 complete DNS/BIND system satisfying all the city's DNS needs
 (internal/external resolutions).

Depends, how long is a piece of string? I don't know what amount of
traffic you're currently seeing, or what your uptime requirements are.

 Any architectural/implementation/best practices advice would be highly
 appreciated.

Estimate what amount of traffic you're seeing during prime time. How many
queries per second?

I'd normally not recommend running BIND on slower multi-threaded
Sun/Oracle servers like the T-series, you'll normally be better off with
fewer threads but higher clock speeds from typical Intel/AMD systems.
(caveat: I haven't benchmarked BIND 9.9.x, which might have improved
this).

Regards
Eivind Olsen


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Re: Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread John Miller

Hi Samad,

It's entirely possible to roll out a parallel BIND installation.  We're 
doing something similar at Brandeis right now--a mix of BIND and 
PowerDNS servers.  I take it that your current BIND setup is purely 
authoritative?  Or is it also handling recursive requests?


John


On 05/03/2012 12:14 PM, Samad Agha wrote:

Dear DNS/BIND gurus,

I am the sole Unix/Linux/Backup Admin for a midsize city in California.
I also inherited a old DNS/BIND (BIND 8.2.2-P5) system running on a
Sun-Fire-V210 with Solaris 8 on it. The city is comprised of a
hotchpotch of many Windows domains/domain-controllers, WINS servers, and
Windows based recursive DNS servers. My DNS/BIND skill set
is elementary and I just ordered two DNS books to start learning it in
depth (DNS  BIND Cookbook and DNS and BIND; 5th Edition
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0596100574/ref=pe_175190_21431760_C1_cs_sce_dp_3).

1- Is it possible to treat the entire environment as brand new, start
building a couple of Linux name servers running the latest and greatest
BIND S/W, start populating it in parallel with our current production
system, and once the new system is completely up and running, turn off
the two Sun-Fire-V210s.

2- If step#1 is possible, as a minimum (H/W, S/W) what do I need for a
complete DNS/BIND system satisfying all the city's DNS needs
(internal/external resolutions).

Any architectural/implementation/best practices advice would be highly
appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,
SA


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Re: Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread Samad Agha
Thanks for your help Eivind.

Depends, how long is a piece of string? I don't know what amount of
traffic you're currently seeing, or what your uptime requirements are.

- Are there tools to find out about current amount of traffic?
- Our uptime requirements are basically from 6am to 6pm during city's
business hours.

Estimate what amount of traffic you're seeing during prime time. How many
queries per second?

- Again, how do I find out?

I'd normally not recommend running BIND on slower
multi-threaded Sun/Oracle servers like the T-series, you'll normally be
better off with fewer threads but higher clock speeds from typical
Intel/AMD systems.(caveat: I haven't bench-marked BIND 9.9.x, which might
have improved this).

- Currently I have two:
 Dell PowerEdge 2950 servers with two Intel Xeon 3.0GHZ CPUs, and 4GB
RAM each running RHEL 5.8 OS


Thanks again,
SA
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Re: dynamic update to SOA records

2012-05-03 Thread cloud cache


But, how will I know the current serial number of the zone, if the zone 
has been changing frequently?

Thank you.



On Tue, 01 May 2012 09:42:40 +0100, Phil Mayers 
p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:

On 04/27/2012 02:37 AM, cloud cache wrote:

Hello,

How to use nsupdate to dynamic update the SOA records?
For example, I want to update the zone's contact email and main NS


As others have pointed out, you just need to use nsupdate and send
a valid SOA.

NOTE: valid means must have a serial number  current. Bind won't
do this for you - you need to choose an appropriate, higher, SOA
serial in the new record you send. Adding 1 is fine.
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Re: Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread Daniel Deighton


On 05/03/2012 02:44 PM, Samad Agha wrote:
 Thanks for your help Eivind.
 
Depends, how long is a piece of string? I don't know what amount of
traffic you're currently seeing, or what your uptime requirements are. 
 
 - Are there tools to find out about current amount of traffic?
 - Our uptime requirements are basically from 6am to 6pm during city's
 business hours.
 
Estimate what amount of traffic you're seeing during prime time. How
 many queries per second?
 
 - Again, how do I find out?

It is fairly easy to find out your query load using BIND. You will just
need to enable query logging (if it isn't already enabled) and use the
data to calculate your queries per second from the data.

Getting the information from your Windows DNS servers is not as easy.
You will likely need to put your Windows DNS servers into debug mode to
get any sort of query logging and the output isn't exactly pretty. You
could also get the data by taking packet captures and/or using a tool
such as dnssnarf, dnsdump or some other tool that another list member
might recommend.

 
I'd normally not recommend running BIND on slower
 multi-threaded Sun/Oracle servers like the T-series, you'll normally be
 better off with fewer threads but higher clock speeds from typical
 Intel/AMD systems.(caveat: I haven't bench-marked BIND 9.9.x, which
 might have improved this).
 
 - Currently I have two:
  Dell PowerEdge 2950 servers with two Intel Xeon 3.0GHZ CPUs, and
 4GB RAM each running RHEL 5.8 OS
 
 
 Thanks again,
 SA
 
 
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Invitation to help ISC out with BIND10 command line tool testing

2012-05-03 Thread Larissa Shapiro
Dear BIND User Community,

The BIND 10 engineering team and are looking for BIND 9 users or other
DNS users who would be interested in helping us do some requirements
gathering and prototype testing. We're asking a select group of
customers to apply to be in a user test project for the command line tool.

_What you would need to commit to_:
Several 1/2 hr to 1 hr sessions with Shane and Larissa where we walk
through command line tool scenarios, later test out the actual tool and
provide feedback.

_Benefits to you_:
Opportunity to make sure their requirements get into the next generation
of BIND. Hopefully make their lives easier in the long run. Love,
admiration, and probably a free t-shirt.

_Benefits to ISC_:
Making sure the tool actually meets our users requirements. Hopefully
reducing support overhead in the future as a result. Developing and
strengthening relationships with our users.

If you cannot help out but someone within your group/team is interested,
please let me know as soon as possible! We're finalizing participants
Wednesday, May 9th.

Thank you for your consideration.

Larissa

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BIND and DHCP Product Manager
Internet Systems Consortium
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Re: Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread Samad Agha
Thanks Daniel, I really appreciate your help.

SA

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Daniel Deighton ddeighton-...@aplura.comwrote:



 On 05/03/2012 02:44 PM, Samad Agha wrote:
  Thanks for your help Eivind.
 
 Depends, how long is a piece of string? I don't know what amount of
 traffic you're currently seeing, or what your uptime requirements are.
 
  - Are there tools to find out about current amount of traffic?
  - Our uptime requirements are basically from 6am to 6pm during city's
  business hours.
 
 Estimate what amount of traffic you're seeing during prime time. How
  many queries per second?
 
  - Again, how do I find out?

 It is fairly easy to find out your query load using BIND. You will just
 need to enable query logging (if it isn't already enabled) and use the
 data to calculate your queries per second from the data.

 Getting the information from your Windows DNS servers is not as easy.
 You will likely need to put your Windows DNS servers into debug mode to
 get any sort of query logging and the output isn't exactly pretty. You
 could also get the data by taking packet captures and/or using a tool
 such as dnssnarf, dnsdump or some other tool that another list member
 might recommend.

 
 I'd normally not recommend running BIND on slower
  multi-threaded Sun/Oracle servers like the T-series, you'll normally be
  better off with fewer threads but higher clock speeds from typical
  Intel/AMD systems.(caveat: I haven't bench-marked BIND 9.9.x, which
  might have improved this).
 
  - Currently I have two:
   Dell PowerEdge 2950 servers with two Intel Xeon 3.0GHZ CPUs, and
  4GB RAM each running RHEL 5.8 OS
 
 
  Thanks again,
  SA
 
 
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Re: dynamic update to SOA records

2012-05-03 Thread Mark Andrews

In message f771e61acd065e9d65064d44e69d1...@mail.mxes.net, cloud cache writes
:
  But, how will I know the current serial number of the zone, if the zone 
  has been changing frequently?
  Thank you.

You ask the master for the current SOA, add a small number to the
serial then send, then check the result by requerying the master.
Look at the fields you want to change not the serial when checking.
The examples so far have a small number as 1 but it can be anything
less than 2^31-1 and NO, I DO NOT RECOMMEND adding 2^31-1 to the
serial when doing this.  Script it.  If serial + 1, doesn't work
re-try with serial + 2, then serial + 3, etc.  Eventually you will
hit a increment that is bigger that the average update rate.  Note
I would not go above serial + 100.  

Mark

  On Tue, 01 May 2012 09:42:40 +0100, Phil Mayers 
  p.may...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
  On 04/27/2012 02:37 AM, cloud cache wrote:
  Hello,
 
  How to use nsupdate to dynamic update the SOA records?
  For example, I want to update the zone's contact email and main NS
 
  As others have pointed out, you just need to use nsupdate and send
  a valid SOA.
 
  NOTE: valid means must have a serial number  current. Bind won't
  do this for you - you need to choose an appropriate, higher, SOA
  serial in the new record you send. Adding 1 is fine.
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Re: Can I build a new DNS/BIND system parallel to our existing DNS production system?

2012-05-03 Thread Peter Andreev
Hello, Samad,

Another way to estimate you query rate is using system's udp counters. Not
as precise as query logging, but doesn't cause performance drop in case of
high query rates and accurate enough for estimation.

2012/5/4 Samad Agha samad.agha2...@gmail.com

 Thanks Daniel, I really appreciate your help.

 SA

 On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Daniel Deighton 
 ddeighton-...@aplura.comwrote:



 On 05/03/2012 02:44 PM, Samad Agha wrote:
  Thanks for your help Eivind.
 
 Depends, how long is a piece of string? I don't know what amount of
 traffic you're currently seeing, or what your uptime requirements are.
 
  - Are there tools to find out about current amount of traffic?
  - Our uptime requirements are basically from 6am to 6pm during city's
  business hours.
 
 Estimate what amount of traffic you're seeing during prime time. How
  many queries per second?
 
  - Again, how do I find out?

 It is fairly easy to find out your query load using BIND. You will just
 need to enable query logging (if it isn't already enabled) and use the
 data to calculate your queries per second from the data.

 Getting the information from your Windows DNS servers is not as easy.
 You will likely need to put your Windows DNS servers into debug mode to
 get any sort of query logging and the output isn't exactly pretty. You
 could also get the data by taking packet captures and/or using a tool
 such as dnssnarf, dnsdump or some other tool that another list member
 might recommend.

 
 I'd normally not recommend running BIND on slower
  multi-threaded Sun/Oracle servers like the T-series, you'll normally be
  better off with fewer threads but higher clock speeds from typical
  Intel/AMD systems.(caveat: I haven't bench-marked BIND 9.9.x, which
  might have improved this).
 
  - Currently I have two:
   Dell PowerEdge 2950 servers with two Intel Xeon 3.0GHZ CPUs, and
  4GB RAM each running RHEL 5.8 OS
 
 
  Thanks again,
  SA
 
 
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