bind v9.16.2 build, inconsistent GeoIP2 configuration options usage ?

2020-04-15 Thread PGNet Dev
cosmetic config error building 9.16.2, config options include --disable-geoip support GeoIP2 geolocation ACLs if available [default=yes] (this^^ is confusing usage; do you DISABLE-geoip in order TO 'support GeoIP2 geolocation ACLs if available' ? shouldn't

BIND9 DoT/DoH - request for comments

2020-04-15 Thread Witold Kręcicki
Hello All, I'm currently working on DoH/DoT design - most specifically, the configuration syntax that will be used to set up DoH/DoT. Since removing or modifying options in named.conf is very hard I want it to be done properly - hence this request for comments. The current design document is

Re: bind v9.16.2 build, inconsistent GeoIP2 configuration options usage ?

2020-04-15 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, you are right this is a bit confusing, but you need to specify both: --enable-geoip (as the feature independent of used libraries) --with-maxmindsb (where to find the libraries) Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý — ISC > On 15 Apr 2020, at 22:07, PGNet Dev wrote: > > cosmetic config error > >

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 09:42 schrieb Klaus Darilion: >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: bind-users Im Auftrag von Reindl >> Harald >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 09:17 >> An: bind-users@lists.isc.org >> Betreff: Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to >> named? >>

AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Klaus Darilion
Thanks for answer! So actually it is just a cosmetic change not addressing a real problem. I will miss the bind9 service :-( Klaus > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Ondřej Surý > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 10:15 > An: Klaus Darilion > Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org > Betreff:

AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Klaus Darilion
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: bind-users Im Auftrag von Reindl > Harald > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 09:17 > An: bind-users@lists.isc.org > Betreff: Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to > named? > > > > Am 15.04.20 um 09:09 schrieb Klaus Darilion: >

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Ondřej Surý
> On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:05, Reindl Harald wrote: > > BTW in case Debian/Ubuntu when they do RTFM it wouldn't be an issue at all Is this the case of you being rude instead of getting the facts? bind9 (1:9.15.3-2) unstable; urgency=medium * Fix the section for bind9 alias in the systemd unit

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Ondřej Surý
Klaus, the default and preferred init system on both Debian and Ubuntu is systemd, and the unit has proper Alias, so it is recognized also under "bind9" name. The sysv-rc script doesn’t have the capability of aliases, so unfortunately, there’s a downfall from the renaming, but it would not make

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
your changelog snippet is handeled as signature seperator so a forward when someone starts complaining "Since years, Debian and Ubuntu User, and plenty of scripts and automation software (Puppet ...), know that the service is called" i assume that he at least would have tried if something is

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 10:08 schrieb Ondřej Surý: > you need to stop being rude to people on the bind-users mailing list, > personal attacks are not acceptable behaviour here. You should apologize > to Klaus. it's not a personal attack to clearly point out that discussions of distribution level changes

AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Klaus Darilion
> Am 15.04.20 um 10:08 schrieb Ondřej Surý: > > you need to stop being rude to people on the bind-users mailing list, > > personal attacks are not acceptable behaviour here. You should apologize > > to Klaus. > > it's not a personal attack to clearly point out that discussions of > distribution

Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Klaus Darilion
Hello! What is the rationale of: bind9 (1:9.13.6-1) experimental; urgency=medium ... * Rename the init scripts to named to match the name of the daemon Since years, Debian and Ubuntu User, and plenty of scripts and automation software (Puppet ...), know that the service is called "bind9". I

Re: [External] AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 09:21 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: > On 4/15/2020 3:09 AM, Klaus Darilion wrote: >> I do not complain about the version number, but of the name. >> >> And in my opinion it is not sane to call a service/package httpd if the name >> of the software is Apache. > > For me, adding the

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Wed 15/Apr/2020 10:15:09 +0200 Ondřej Surý wrote: > The renaming was done as it was a logical choice, the service is starting a > daemon, > and not a package, and daemon name is `named`. Also it is the name used by RPM > based systems and Arch Linux and Gentoo, so it was also made to make BIND

Re: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via bind-users
On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 10:35 +0200, Klaus Darilion wrote: > Thanks for answer! > > So actually it is just a cosmetic change not addressing a real problem. > > I will miss the bind9 service :-( Wait until you find out about Predicatable Network Interface Names and iptables rules. :) -Jim P.

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 14:17 schrieb Jim Popovitch via bind-users: > On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 10:35 +0200, Klaus Darilion wrote: >> Thanks for answer! >> >> So actually it is just a cosmetic change not addressing a real problem. >> >> I will miss the bind9 service :-( > > > Wait until you find out about

Re: bind v9.16.2 build, inconsistent GeoIP2 configuration options usage ?

2020-04-15 Thread PGNet Dev
On 4/15/20 1:50 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote: > you are right this is a bit confusing, but you need to specify both: > > --enable-geoip (as the feature independent of used libraries) > --with-maxmindsb (where to find the libraries) thx i'd also suggest - --with-maxmiddb +

VS: 9.16.2 / DNSSEC / DS records

2020-04-15 Thread Jukka Pakkanen
And yet, after updating Gemtrade.fi to dnssec-policy, ZSK and KSK both "13", and updating the DS record at the .fi root, I still get: (algorithm 13 not supportedsignature verification failed) In Verisign DNSSEC verifier. Lähettäjä: bind-users Puolesta Jukka Pakkanen Lähetetty: 16. huhtikuuta

Re: 9.16.2 / DNSSEC / DS records

2020-04-15 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 16 Apr 2020, at 09:21, Jukka Pakkanen wrote: > > Updating from 9.14.11 to 9.16.2, and migrating existing signed zones to > dnssec-policy, and have couple questions, probably quite trivial… > > We have signed zones with different key algorithms, now I want everything > under the same

Re: bind v9.16.2 build, inconsistent GeoIP2 configuration options usage ?

2020-04-15 Thread PGNet Dev
On 4/15/20 2:46 PM, PGNet Dev wrote: > On 4/15/20 1:50 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote: >> you are right this is a bit confusing, but you need to specify both: >> >> --enable-geoip (as the feature independent of used libraries) >> --with-maxmindsb (where to find the libraries) > > thx > > i'd also suggest

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Dennis Clarke via bind-users
On 4/15/20 8:15 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: Klaus, the default and preferred init system on both Debian and Ubuntu is systemd, and the unit has proper Alias, so it is recognized also under "bind9" name. The sysv-rc script doesn’t have the capability of aliases, so unfortunately, there’s a downfall

9.16.2 / DNSSEC / DS records

2020-04-15 Thread Jukka Pakkanen
Updating from 9.14.11 to 9.16.2, and migrating existing signed zones to dnssec-policy, and have couple questions, probably quite trivial... We have signed zones with different key algorithms, now I want everything under the same ecdsa256 policy. I guess when the key algorithm changes, example

Re: 9.16.2 / DNSSEC / DS records

2020-04-15 Thread Mark Andrews
Well the tester doesn’t support algorithm 13. The red x’s should be cautions as they aren’t failures (no working ds/dnskey pairs for supported algorithms in use), but rather the zone should be treated as insecure by the tester. Mark > On 16 Apr 2020, at 09:28, Jukka Pakkanen wrote: > > And

AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Klaus Darilion
> > It would be great if you undo this change before release of 18.04 > > you confuse the upstream project with your distribution > > bind9 was completly wrong in the debian world as well as apache2 for > httpd, on sane distributions it's "httpt" and "named" all the years > beause it's nonsense

Re: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Erich Eckner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 15 Apr 2020, Klaus Darilion wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: bind-users Im Auftrag von Reindl Harald Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 09:05 An: bind-users@lists.isc.org Betreff: Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 09:09 schrieb Klaus Darilion: >>> It would be great if you undo this change before release of 18.04 >> >> you confuse the upstream project with your distribution >> >> bind9 was completly wrong in the debian world as well as apache2 for >> httpd, on sane distributions it's

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 08:51 schrieb Klaus Darilion: > Hello! > > What is the rationale of: > > bind9 (1:9.13.6-1) experimental; urgency=medium > ... > * Rename the init scripts to named to match the name of the daemon > > > Since years, Debian and Ubuntu User, and plenty of scripts and

Re: [External] AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 4/15/2020 3:09 AM, Klaus Darilion wrote: > I do not complain about the version number, but of the name. > > And in my opinion it is not sane to call a service/package httpd if the name > of the software is Apache. For me, adding the version number can make sense if there is an intention to

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 08:56 schrieb Reindl Harald: > > > Am 15.04.20 um 08:51 schrieb Klaus Darilion: >> Hello! >> >> What is the rationale of: >> >> bind9 (1:9.13.6-1) experimental; urgency=medium >> ... >> * Rename the init scripts to named to match the name of the daemon >> >> >> Since years,

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.04.20 um 09:08 schrieb Klaus Darilion: The software is "Bind 9". The package is "bind9". The service for long time >> was "bind9". The config is in /etc/bind. Only the binary is named. So it >> would >> have made more sense to rename the binary. (actually the binary is not so >>

AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Klaus Darilion
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: bind-users Im Auftrag von Reindl > Harald > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 09:05 > An: bind-users@lists.isc.org > Betreff: Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to > named? > > > > Am 15.04.20 um 08:56 schrieb Reindl Harald: >

Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named?

2020-04-15 Thread Jim Popovitch via bind-users
On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 14:21 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 15.04.20 um 14:17 schrieb Jim Popovitch via bind-users: > > On Wed, 2020-04-15 at 10:35 +0200, Klaus Darilion wrote: > > > Thanks for answer! > > > > > > So actually it is just a cosmetic change not addressing a real problem. > > >