Re: Public facing authoritative NS all masters

2014-07-12 Thread Doug Barton
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Re: IP2Location instead of Maxmind

2014-07-12 Thread Evan Hunt

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 06:31:34PM +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> Hi
> I am using 9.10 with geoIP, however the subscription based Maxmind database
> does have quite a number of mistakes that are correct in IP2location
> "judging from domaintools.com", can I use iP2location instead of Maxmind ?

If they use the same database format, and it can be read with libGeoIP,
then sure.

If they don't use the same database format, there's an open source tool
called "geoip-csv-to-dat" that you can use to roll a libGeoIP country
database from text input.  Maybe you could take the ip2location data and
create a usable database from it.

I'm not aware of any tools that can create the other libGeoIP database
types (city, region, ISP, etc) -- last time I looked, only country worked.

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Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org
Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.
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IP2Location instead of Maxmind

2014-07-12 Thread Ali Jawad
Hi
I am using 9.10 with geoIP, however the subscription based Maxmind database
does have quite a number of mistakes that are correct in IP2location
"judging from domaintools.com", can I use iP2location instead of Maxmind ?
Regards
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Re: slave zone files unreadable

2014-07-12 Thread Alan Clegg
On 7/12/14, 5:33 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

> Am 12.07.2014 04:48, schrieb Alan Clegg:

>> nsupdate
>>
>> If BIND is installed, no dependencies and about as flexible as you can get
> 
> i talk about web-interfaces generating complete zonefiles from
> scratch out of a records table, orchestrating 4 remote nameservers
> with the data which must be also maintainable by normal operators
> [...]

Believe it or not, I've done setups like what you ask for using database
backends, web front-ends and multiple "remote" servers with the DNS
infrastructure being maintained nearly completely using nsupdate.

I wasn't providing a full implementation, that costs money.

AlanC



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Re: Public facing authoritative NS all masters

2014-07-12 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 12.07.2014 16:11, schrieb Gary Wallis:
> DNS experts,
> 
> What are the drawbacks, if any, of running only master name servers for the 
> set of authoritative NSs?
> 
> For example given:
> 
> [root@rc37 unxsVZ]# dig latimes.com NS +short
> dns1.tribune.com.
> dns2.tribune.com.
> dns4.tribune.com.
> dns3.tribune.com.
> 
> Where all 4 dnsN servers are in fact masters (this is just a hypothetical, 
> the NS above are most likely secondary
> servers)

practically none if all is going fine

if you are making a config mistake preventing named to work
it makes a difference because the master goes down and the
slaves have no chance to pull the mistake

been there done that for ISP breaking zone-transfer reasons
__

example:

* subdomain1.example.com -> CNAME to whatever
* later a mailsub-domain get addeded
* you add MX subdomain1.example.com
* named won't load that zone because CNAME and others are not allowed
* the slave has no chance to pull such breakage

well, that mistake happened years ago and needed to be fixed
in our dns-backend to not allow, however at that time the
secondary nameserver was a slave and nothing happened

if both would have been configured as master and get the
same input the zone would have gone offline



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Public facing authoritative NS all masters

2014-07-12 Thread Gary Wallis

DNS experts,

What are the drawbacks, if any, of running only master name servers for 
the set of authoritative NSs?


For example given:

[root@rc37 unxsVZ]# dig latimes.com NS +short
dns1.tribune.com.
dns2.tribune.com.
dns4.tribune.com.
dns3.tribune.com.

Where all 4 dnsN servers are in fact masters (this is just a 
hypothetical, the NS above are most likely secondary servers)


Thank you!
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Re: slave zone files unreadable

2014-07-12 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 12.07.2014 04:48, schrieb Alan Clegg:
> On 7/11/14, 9:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
>> i am one of that people because no other software
>> is flexible enough or comes with dependency hell
> 
> nsupdate
> 
> If BIND is installed, no dependencies and about as flexible as you can get

i talk about web-interfaces generating complete zonefiles from
scratch out of a records table, orchestrating 4 remote nameservers
with the data which must be also maintainable by normal operators
and last but not least perfectly integrated in already self
developed admin backends for other services - well, and since the
nameservers are pulling ready-to-use zone-content via cronscript
additional nameservers could be added without touch anything but
sql permissions on the internal infrastructure

"This allows resource records to be added or removed from a
zone without manually editing the zone file" don't create you
a zone from scratch based on database records nor adds it the
zone from "named.conf" or would remove it based on a webbackend

such command line tools are nice but not useable to do the same
as a database backed webinterface maintaining 4 nameservers with
different IP addresses for two of them in case of otherwise
mirrored records for each zone - how do you integrate this in
cronjobs? in our case the cronjob pulls the complete zone-content
out from a database and writes it to disk, the single records are
to re-create the two textfields with the zone internal and WAN

additionally it's completly error-prone implement that way triggers
like "oh that domain got recently a mail-address in DBMail so now
we add a MX record if not already there as well as autoconfig and
autodiscover in the database via the DNS-API class" which does
codewise the same as if you would add that 3 records in the webUI



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Re: slave zone files unreadable

2014-07-12 Thread Noel Butler

On 12/07/2014 11:08, Mark Andrews wrote:


The real problem is humans.  They like to tinker with files (hence
the subject line).  There really shouldn't be a reason for anyone
to need to read slave database files.  They are there so named can
have the zone content when it starts up rather than having to
re-transfer the content at startup.  If you need the contents of the
zone axfr them from the server.  That way you actually get up to
date content not 15 minute old content.

If we could get people away from wanting to use a editor on master
files directly we would.  The practice is highly error prone even
for experts.



Most management systems in hosting comps typically open file < blah EOF 
and stuff, so maybe 99.% of the internet :D   (of course 
these, and those of us who know how to write them by hand have no 
trouble - because we all learnt the hard way at some time)



Also, I may be having a blonde moment (got a nasty case of te flu at 
present) but whatever happened to the once discussed advantages of 
having bind load zone files in the same way Apache httpd does using 
(Include/IncludeOptional sompath_under_"directory"/* ), if the zone is 
there it loads it, if not, it doesnt/ignores it - not just bail out 
completely, that removes the dangers of a corrupted named.conf with tens 
of thousands of zones. Testing showed with 11.5K hosts, the load time 
was only 3 or so seconds longer IIRC (maybe less), not bad for peace of 
mind ('n yes I know in DNS 3 seconds is a long time, but WTF takes pri 
and sec's offline at same time (ok I guess the clowns who run them both 
on hte same cheap over subscribed VPS but thats another rant for another 
day)


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