Re: ISC DHCP does not work with BIND 9.10

2015-02-20 Thread Tomas Hozza
On 02/19/2015 07:30 PM, Evan Hunt wrote:
 dhcp is only expected to work with the generic library (and also
 disabling epoll), but this comment now seems to be obsolete as there's
 no generic (formerly called export) version of the library.
 Assuming the issue with epoll is somehow resolved, I suspect we'd need
 some run-time mechanism to enable the multiple task managers mode
 (while still enabling threads).  As far as I know the current
 implementation doesn't allow it.
 
 Pretty much exactly correct.  Our intention was to allow both named and
 dhcpd to use the same set of libisc and libdns libraries, no longer
 requiring separate libraries to be built for each; a global variable set at
 runtime (isc_bind9) takes the place of #ifdef BIND9, where the internal
 and export versions of the libraries had different behavior.
 
 We ran out of time on this project when we were working on BIND 9.10 and
 DHCP 4.3, and haven't had time to get back to it, so the work is largely
 but complete but not entirely.  DHCP still needs some adaptations to deal
 with the new-style task manager, and libisc needs a runtime mechanism for
 choosing to use select vs epoll/kqueue/devpoll.  I think there were a few
 other items on the to do list as well, but those were the big ones.
 

Thank you for the explanation. Is there any estimate or plan when this could
be finished? This situation complicates things significantly on Fedora. If we
want to ship BIND 9.10 we have to either build DHCP using bundled BIND (which
is against Fedora guidelines and requires special approval) or build another
version of libisc and libdns with special options which will require us hacking
BIND's build process.

Since both workarounds are just temporary from our point of view, we would like
you to really consider finishing the work so DHCP can be built against BIND 
9.10.

Thank you!

Regards,
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Re: caching-only name server

2015-02-20 Thread Alan Clegg
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On 2/19/15 9:52 PM, Vijay Viswanathan wrote:

 looks like the default /etc/named.conf is designed to run much more
 than caching server

There no named.conf distributed with BIND from ISC.  What you are
seeing is from your operating system distribution or a third-party.

If you are looking to just run a cache, what you had in your first
configuration snippet is just fine, and actually has some extra (the
zone for localhost).

AlanC
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Re: Share RPZ Zones between views

2015-02-20 Thread José Alonso
Hi guys,

Any idea on this ?

Thanks!
Jose Alonso

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:50 PM, José Alonso j...@transtelco.net wrote:

 Hi all !

 I'm having a problem guys, I want to know if there's a way to share RPZ
 zones between views in a single server.

 Let's say that I have a view common and I have in there a zone called
 porn with all the domains that I want to block, then I have 2 views that
 matches for 2 different IP sources and I want to also block the zone porn
 in those 2 views, is there a way to share the already loaded zone in the
 common view in order to save memory on the server ?

 I would really appreciate any help with this,

 Thanks!
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Re: Share RPZ Zones between views

2015-02-20 Thread Howard, Christopher
There are three ways that I know of to do it.  The first would be to load the 
same RPZ data in each view from the same source files.  The second would be to 
zone transfer the RPZ data from one view to the others.  The third would be to 
have completely separate RPZ files for each view that you manually update each 
so you can block different domains per view.  I do not believe it is possible 
to have the other views reference records that are only loaded in another view. 
 If you reference the RPZ data at all in the other views it's going to load 
another copy.  But I could be wrong. :)

-Christopher

From: José Alonso j...@transtelco.netmailto:j...@transtelco.net
Date: Friday, February 20, 2015 at 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: Share RPZ Zones between views

Hi guys,

Any idea on this ?

Thanks!
Jose Alonso

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 6:50 PM, José Alonso 
j...@transtelco.netmailto:j...@transtelco.net wrote:
Hi all !

I'm having a problem guys, I want to know if there's a way to share RPZ zones 
between views in a single server.

Let's say that I have a view common and I have in there a zone called porn 
with all the domains that I want to block, then I have 2 views that matches for 
2 different IP sources and I want to also block the zone porn in those 2 
views, is there a way to share the already loaded zone in the common view in 
order to save memory on the server ?

I would really appreciate any help with this,

Thanks!
Jose Alonso

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Re: Share RPZ Zones between views

2015-02-20 Thread /dev/rob0
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 02:58:00PM +, Howard, Christopher wrote:
 I do not believe it is possible to have the other views reference 
 records that are only loaded in another view.

BIND 9.10 has this feature, the in-view zone option.
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RE: caching-only name server

2015-02-20 Thread Vijay Viswanathan
Thanks
I thought I needed the 'port 53' line.



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On 2/19/15 9:52 PM, Vijay Viswanathan wrote:

 looks like the default /etc/named.conf is designed to run much more
 than caching server

There no named.conf distributed with BIND from ISC.  What you are
seeing is from your operating system distribution or a third-party.

If you are looking to just run a cache, what you had in your first
configuration snippet is just fine, and actually has some extra (the
zone for localhost).

AlanC
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Re: Share RPZ Zones between views

2015-02-20 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 09:48:57AM -0600, /dev/rob0 wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 02:58:00PM +, Howard, Christopher wrote:
  I do not believe it is possible to have the other views reference 
  records that are only loaded in another view.
 
 BIND 9.10 has this feature, the in-view zone option.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work with RPZ.

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Re: Share RPZ Zones between views

2015-02-20 Thread José Alonso
Yeah sadly the in-view feature doesn't work with RPZ zones. I already
tried that and also played a little bit with the attach-cache option but
at the end it's not the desired behavior.

And I have this problem, because I have 2 zones with 2 million of records
that I want to block, if I load each zone in every view that I create it's
gonna be a memory problem, that can't scale up very well.

On Friday, February 20, 2015, Evan Hunt e...@isc.org wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 09:48:57AM -0600, /dev/rob0 wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 02:58:00PM +, Howard, Christopher wrote:
   I do not believe it is possible to have the other views reference
   records that are only loaded in another view.
 
  BIND 9.10 has this feature, the in-view zone option.

 Unfortunately, it doesn't work with RPZ.

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Re: ISC DHCP does not work with BIND 9.10

2015-02-20 Thread Carl Byington
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On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 13:27 +0100, Tomas Hozza wrote:
 Since both workarounds are just temporary from our point of view, we
 would like you to really consider finishing the work so DHCP can be
 built against BIND 9.10.

Perhaps redhat.com could fund such work by ISC.


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Re: caching-only name server

2015-02-20 Thread José Alonso
Hi Vijay

I guess that's the default value for the listen directive. With the
configuration you have you should do well with the recursion only server.

Regards

On Friday, February 20, 2015, Vijay Viswanathan vijay.vi...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thanks
 I thought I needed the 'port 53' line.



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 On 2/19/15 9:52 PM, Vijay Viswanathan wrote:

  looks like the default /etc/named.conf is designed to run much more
  than caching server

 There no named.conf distributed with BIND from ISC.  What you are
 seeing is from your operating system distribution or a third-party.

 If you are looking to just run a cache, what you had in your first
 configuration snippet is just fine, and actually has some extra (the
 zone for localhost).

 AlanC
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Re: caching-only name server

2015-02-20 Thread Vijay Viswanathan
Hi jose,
sorry I didn't understand, with the snip i have without the listen
directive, i should be able to run BIND (named) as recursion only server
installed in all client machines to speed up their browsing/DNS lookup?

Thanks.


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:29 AM, José Alonso j...@transtelco.net wrote:

 Hi Vijay

 I guess that's the default value for the listen directive. With the
 configuration you have you should do well with the recursion only server.

 Regards


 On Friday, February 20, 2015, Vijay Viswanathan vijay.vi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks
 I thought I needed the 'port 53' line.



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 On 2/19/15 9:52 PM, Vijay Viswanathan wrote:

  looks like the default /etc/named.conf is designed to run much more
  than caching server

 There no named.conf distributed with BIND from ISC.  What you are
 seeing is from your operating system distribution or a third-party.

 If you are looking to just run a cache, what you had in your first
 configuration snippet is just fine, and actually has some extra (the
 zone for localhost).

 AlanC
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Re: caching-only name server

2015-02-20 Thread José Alonso
Hi Vijay, I'm not an expert on BIND, but I have few questions to understand
more. What I meant was that if you don't write the listen directive the
named service is by default going to listen on port 53, also if you run the
named service in every client machine you will lose the function of caching
among all your clients. But that definitely can work.

Also, are your clients all linux-based  or windows-based?

Regards,
Jose






On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Vijay Viswanathan vijay.vi...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi jose,
 sorry I didn't understand, with the snip i have without the listen
 directive, i should be able to run BIND (named) as recursion only server
 installed in all client machines to speed up their browsing/DNS lookup?

 Thanks.


 On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:29 AM, José Alonso j...@transtelco.net wrote:

 Hi Vijay

 I guess that's the default value for the listen directive. With the
 configuration you have you should do well with the recursion only server.

 Regards


 On Friday, February 20, 2015, Vijay Viswanathan vijay.vi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks
 I thought I needed the 'port 53' line.



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 On 2/19/15 9:52 PM, Vijay Viswanathan wrote:

  looks like the default /etc/named.conf is designed to run much more
  than caching server

 There no named.conf distributed with BIND from ISC.  What you are
 seeing is from your operating system distribution or a third-party.

 If you are looking to just run a cache, what you had in your first
 configuration snippet is just fine, and actually has some extra (the
 zone for localhost).

 AlanC
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Re: caching-only name server

2015-02-20 Thread Alan Clegg
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On 2/20/15 12:59 PM, Vijay Viswanathan wrote:
 sorry I didn't understand, with the snip i have without the listen 
 directive, i should be able to run BIND (named) as recursion only
 server installed in all client machines to speed up their
 browsing/DNS lookup?

You _could_ run this on every client machine, but if you do, you lose
the function of caching between clients.

Consider the case that your clients all have a need to go to xyz.com

If you have each client running its own copy of BIND, you have every
client doing that lookup and waiting for the response, etc.

If you have a couple of centralized servers running BIND, only the
first client to lookup xyz.com (against each server) has to wait for
the response, at which time the response is cached for the other clients.

Honestly, there are too many variables for us to be able to tell you
which mechanism works best in your specific case.

AlanC

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