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Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-26 Thread Paul Cizmas

Bruce, indeed the named is in 
/Applications/Server.app/Contents/ServerRoot/usr/sbin/named.  

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 12:20 PM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>> 
>> Ondrej:
>> 
>> Thank you - I installed bind with brew.  It says it installed 9.16.13.  
>> However, it still seems that I am running 9.9.7-P3:
> 
> Make sure that the launchd plist for bind is pointing to the correct location 
> of named. (probably /usr/local/opt/bind/sbin judging from the screen shot)

Indeed, named is in /usr/local/opt/bind/sbin.  How can I “make sure that the 
launchd plist” is pointing to /usr/local/opt/bind/sbin?
> 
> 
> If the previous version was installed as part of Mac OS Server, or MacPorts, 
> for example that binary will live somewhere other than /usr/local.

Indeed again, the previous BIND, which is 9.9.7-P3, was installed as part of 
Mac OS Server.

Thank you, Paul 
> 
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Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-26 Thread Paul Cizmas

Tony, thank you!  I ran 'dig @localhost version.bind ch txt’ and got

~$ dig @localhost version.bind ch txt
md5.c:96: fatal error: RUNTIME_CHECK(pk11_get_session(ctx, OP_DIGEST, 1, 0, 0, 
((void *)0), 0) == 0) failed
Abort trap: 6

I do not know what this means.

I then ran 'which named’ and it is

/Applications/Server.app/Contents/ServerRoot/usr/sbin/named

When I ran rndc status I got

~$ rndc status
rndc: error: open: /Library/Server/named/rndc.key: permission denied
rndc: could not load rndc configuration

Thank you,
Paul

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Tony Finch  wrote:
> 
> Paul Cizmas  wrote:
> 
>> ~$ named -v
>> BIND 9.9.7-P3 (Extended Support Version)
> 
> What's probably happening here is that the BIND on your $PATH isn't
> necessarily the BIND that homebrew installed and (hopefully) is running.
> 
> You can run `dig @localhost version.bind ch txt` to see what the running
> server reports as its version.
> 
> You can run `which named` to find out where it is finding 9.9.7.
> 
> If you run `rndc status` it should fail, because of the mismatched
> installations (I expect your 9.9.7 will not look for the rndc key in the
> same place as 9.16.3) but `/usr/local/opt/bind/sbin/rndc status` ought to
> work and tell you about the running 9.16.3.
> 
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Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-26 Thread Paul Cizmas

Ondrej:

Thank you - I installed bind with brew.  It says it installed 9.16.13.  
However, it still seems that I am running 9.9.7-P3:

~$ sudo brew services start bind
Password:
warning: unable to access '/Users/cizmas/.config/git/attributes': Permission 
denied
warning: unable to access '/Users/cizmas/.config/git/attributes': Permission 
denied
warning: unable to access '/Users/cizmas/.config/git/attributes': Permission 
denied
warning: unable to access '/Users/cizmas/.config/git/attributes': Permission 
denied
==> Tapping homebrew/services
Cloning into '/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-services'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 20, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (20/20), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (20/20), done.
remote: Total 1141 (delta 8), reused 0 (delta 0), pack-reused 1121
Receiving objects: 100% (1141/1141), 331.53 KiB | 3.38 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (484/484), done.
warning: unable to access '/Users/cizmas/.config/git/attributes': Permission 
denied
Tapped 1 command (39 files, 417.3KB).
Warning: Taking root:admin ownership of some bind paths:
  /usr/local/Cellar/bind/9.16.13/sbin
  /usr/local/Cellar/bind/9.16.13/sbin/named
  /usr/local/opt/bind
  /usr/local/opt/bind/bin
  /usr/local/opt/bind/sbin
This will require manual removal of these paths using `sudo rm` on
brew upgrade/reinstall/uninstall.
==> Successfully started `bind` (label: homebrew.mxcl.bind)
~$ named -v
BIND 9.9.7-P3 (Extended Support Version)

So, why is it still 9.9.7-P3?

Thank you,
Paul

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 9:25 AM, Ondřej Surý  wrote:
> 
> $ brew info bind
> bind: stable 9.16.13 (bottled), HEAD
> Implementation of the DNS protocols
> https://www.isc.org/bind/
> Not installed
> From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/HEAD/Formula/bind.rb
> License: MPL-2.0
> ==> Dependencies
> Build: pkg-config ✔
> Required: json-c ✔, libidn2 ✔, libuv ✔, openssl@1.1 ✔, python@3.9 ✔
> 
> Ondrej
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>> On 26. 3. 2021, at 15:02, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>> 
>> Ondrej:
>> 
>> I did not think of doing it.  Let me try.  Thank you for your suggestion!
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2021, at 2:04 AM, Ondřej Surý  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paul,
>>> 
>>> why don’t you just install BIND 9 from Homebrew?
>>> 
>>> Ondřej
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>>> 
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>>> feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.
>>> 
>>>> On 26. 3. 2021, at 1:50, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello:
>>>> 
>>>> I am new to BIND and I am trying to install version 9.16.13 on a Mac OS X 
>>>> 10.13.6.
>>>> 
>>>> I downloaded version 9.16.13 and, following the suggestions from 
>>>> https://krypted.com/mac-os-x/dns-install-bind-macos/, I am trying to 
>>>> configure using
>>>> 
>>>> ./configure --enable-symtable=none --infodir="/usr/share/info" 
>>>> --sysconfdir="/etc" --localstatedir="/var" --enable-atomic="no" 
>>>> --with-gssapi=yes --with-libxml2=no
>>>> 
>>>> This fails because of libuv
>>>> 
>>>> checking for pthread_set_name_np... no
>>>> checking for pthread_np.h... no
>>>> checking for libuv... checking for libuv >= 1.0.0... no
>>>> configure: error: libuv not found
>>>> 
>>>> I have libuv installed, however.  It is version 1.41.0.
>>>> 
>>>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to fix this.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
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Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-26 Thread Paul Cizmas

Ondrej:

I did not think of doing it.  Let me try.  Thank you for your suggestion!

Paul

> On Mar 26, 2021, at 2:04 AM, Ondřej Surý  wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> why don’t you just install BIND 9 from Homebrew?
> 
> Ondřej
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> 
>> On 26. 3. 2021, at 1:50, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I am new to BIND and I am trying to install version 9.16.13 on a Mac OS X 
>> 10.13.6.
>> 
>> I downloaded version 9.16.13 and, following the suggestions from 
>> https://krypted.com/mac-os-x/dns-install-bind-macos/ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://krypted.com/mac-os-x/dns-install-bind-macos/__;!!KwNVnqRv!VKtxcs8uSs8lXFhO1gXTlYF3fXf6_KcijRBrODXxa-J071VqBTPozukV3ZHFV7Q$>,
>>  I am trying to configure using
>> 
>> ./configure --enable-symtable=none --infodir="/usr/share/info" 
>> --sysconfdir="/etc" --localstatedir="/var" --enable-atomic="no" 
>> --with-gssapi=yes --with-libxml2=no
>> 
>> This fails because of libuv
>> 
>> checking for pthread_set_name_np... no
>> checking for pthread_np.h... no
>> checking for libuv... checking for libuv >= 1.0.0... no
>> configure: error: libuv not found
>> 
>> I have libuv installed, however.  It is version 1.41.0.
>> 
>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to fix this.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Paul
>> 
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Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-25 Thread Paul Cizmas

I tried now using libuv 1.35 and it failed again during make at

  CC   src/unix/libuv_la-darwin-proctitle.lo
In file included from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Headers/AuthSession.h:32:0,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Headers/Security.h:43,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Headers/CSIdentity.h:43,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/OSServices.framework/Headers/OSServices.h:27,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Headers/IconsCore.h:23,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Headers/LaunchServices.h:22,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Headers/CoreServices.h:39,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:23,
 from src/unix/darwin-proctitle.c:34:
/System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Headers/Authorization.h:193:7: 
error: variably modified ‘bytes’ at file scope
  char bytes[kAuthorizationExternalFormLength];
   ^
In file included from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGContext.h:18:0,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGBitmapContext.h:9,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CoreGraphics.h:11,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:35,
 from src/unix/darwin-proctitle.c:34:
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGFont.h:53:40: 
error: initializer element is not constant
 static const CGFontIndex kCGGlyphMax = kCGFontIndexMax;
^~~
In file included from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGContext.h:21:0,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGBitmapContext.h:9,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CoreGraphics.h:11,
 from 
/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Headers/ApplicationServices.h:35,
 from src/unix/darwin-proctitle.c:34:
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGPath.h:391:15: 
error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘^’ token
 typedef void (^CGPathApplyBlock)(const CGPathElement * element);
   ^
/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreGraphics.framework/Headers/CGPath.h:393:53: 
error: unknown type name ‘CGPathApplyBlock’
 CG_EXTERN void CGPathApplyWithBlock(CGPathRef path, CGPathApplyBlock 
CF_NOESCAPE block)
 ^~~~
make: *** [Makefile:2610: src/unix/libuv_la-darwin-proctitle.lo] Error 1


> On Mar 25, 2021, at 10:58 PM, Larry Stone  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been building BIND on MacOS for years (currently on Catalina but has 
> worked on almost the entire Mac OS X series.
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>> 
>> I am new to BIND and I am trying to install version 9.16.13 on a Mac OS X 
>> 10.13.6.
>> 
>> I downloaded version 9.16.13 and, following the suggestions from 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://krypted.com/mac-os-x/dns-install-bind-macos/__;!!KwNVnqRv!SgN3gnzEKHjO4-cmHIFW1vcyx5KWnm1ii44xUN8Cv7V0BQRszE6xAdIje1bTo8s$
>>  , I am trying to configure using
>> 
>> ./configure --enable-symtable=none --infodir="/usr/share/info" 
>> --sysconfdir="/etc" --localstatedir="/var" --enable-atomic="no" 
>> --with-gssapi=yes --with-libxml2=no
>> 
> 
> I don’t know that site and I don’t know what most of the those options do. A 
> simple ./configure has almost always worked for me.
> 
>> This fails because of libuv
>> 
>> checking for pthread_set_name_np... no
>> checking for pthread_np.h... no
>> checking for libuv... checking for libuv >= 1.0.0... no
>> configure: error: libuv not found
>> 
>> I have libuv installed, however.  It is version 1.41.0.
>> 
> 
> Is libuv where the BIND configure is looking for it? My libuv files are in 
> /usr/local/lib. I have libuv 1.35 (doubt the version is making a difference) 
> and it looks like I installed it a year ago.
> 
> Are you using something like homebrew or macports? I don’t as I was already 
> too established doing everything from scratch when I learned about them. But 
> I believe at least one of them if not both use their own set of directories 
> so something built with one of them will not be found by something coming 
> from the

Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-25 Thread Paul Cizmas

Eddy, I fully agree with you. I wish I could do it.  Unfortunately I failed to 
install libuv from scratch and I took a shortcut by using homebrew (and now I 
am paying for it, as I should).

Paul

> On Mar 25, 2021, at 11:05 PM, Eddy Hahn  wrote:
> 
> I do not use either of them because I cannot trust them. I build all 
> dependencies from scratch so I do not have to depend on others- breaking 
> things from one version to the next.
> Also I do not like to use the old libs shipped with the OS or install 3rd 
> party into the OS directories. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Eddy
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 8:59 PM, Larry Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been building BIND on MacOS for years (currently on Catalina but has 
>> worked on almost the entire Mac OS X series.
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am new to BIND and I am trying to install version 9.16.13 on a Mac OS X 
>>> 10.13.6.
>>> 
>>> I downloaded version 9.16.13 and, following the suggestions from 
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fkrypted.com*2Fmac-os-x*2Fdns-install-bind-macos*2Fdata=04*7C01*7C*7C531de9ed26704038675308d8f00b8f48*7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435*7C1*7C0*7C637523279725421196*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C1000sdata=wN7nldydRlRxmZrp8rWOtLQQN21cSXnc5x5Ym6oZ5Hs*3Dreserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KwNVnqRv!SeCbRCtQQ1-pyWorY4eIWCDOgRROjaa-_OzHQBubG79Rq8hsFwKYhcS04iT0kFM$
>>>  , I am trying to configure using
>>> 
>>> ./configure --enable-symtable=none --infodir="/usr/share/info" 
>>> --sysconfdir="/etc" --localstatedir="/var" --enable-atomic="no" 
>>> --with-gssapi=yes --with-libxml2=no
>>> 
>> 
>> I don’t know that site and I don’t know what most of the those options do. A 
>> simple ./configure has almost always worked for me.
>> 
>>> This fails because of libuv
>>> 
>>> checking for pthread_set_name_np... no
>>> checking for pthread_np.h... no
>>> checking for libuv... checking for libuv >= 1.0.0... no
>>> configure: error: libuv not found
>>> 
>>> I have libuv installed, however.  It is version 1.41.0.
>>> 
>> 
>> Is libuv where the BIND configure is looking for it? My libuv files are in 
>> /usr/local/lib. I have libuv 1.35 (doubt the version is making a difference) 
>> and it looks like I installed it a year ago.
>> 
>> Are you using something like homebrew or macports? I don’t as I was already 
>> too established doing everything from scratch when I learned about them. But 
>> I believe at least one of them if not both use their own set of directories 
>> so something built with one of them will not be found by something coming 
>> from the other or done from scratch. Those instructions from krypted.com 
>> appear to be doing a “from scratch” version so if you installed libuv with 
>> homebrew or macports, I doubt the krypted.com instructions will find it.
>> 
>> 
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Re: BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-25 Thread Paul Cizmas

I did use homebrew.  It installed libuv 1.41.0 without any complaints.  Is 
there something I could do to manually point BIND to libuv?

Thank you,
Paul


> On Mar 25, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Mark Andrews  wrote:
> 
> libuv discovery requires pkg-config to be found.  macports/homebrew installs 
> of libuv should register libuv correctly.
> 
> 
>> On 26 Mar 2021, at 11:50, Paul Cizmas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> 
>> I am new to BIND and I am trying to install version 9.16.13 on a Mac OS X 
>> 10.13.6.
>> 
>> I downloaded version 9.16.13 and, following the suggestions from 
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://krypted.com/mac-os-x/dns-install-bind-macos/__;!!KwNVnqRv!T2YrsudDg_5xUn4JVLDSFDP1B5SWepbwzT9ay0JLZrWIwZ5iSfh2BCY7WA-Zw5Q$
>>  , I am trying to configure using
>> 
>> ./configure --enable-symtable=none --infodir="/usr/share/info" 
>> --sysconfdir="/etc" --localstatedir="/var" --enable-atomic="no" 
>> --with-gssapi=yes --with-libxml2=no
>> 
>> This fails because of libuv
>> 
>> checking for pthread_set_name_np... no
>> checking for pthread_np.h... no
>> checking for libuv... checking for libuv >= 1.0.0... no
>> configure: error: libuv not found
>> 
>> I have libuv installed, however.  It is version 1.41.0.
>> 
>> I would appreciate any suggestions on how to fix this.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Paul
>> 
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BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

2021-03-25 Thread Paul Cizmas

Hello:

I am new to BIND and I am trying to install version 9.16.13 on a Mac OS X 
10.13.6.

I downloaded version 9.16.13 and, following the suggestions from 
https://krypted.com/mac-os-x/dns-install-bind-macos/ 
, I am trying to 
configure using

./configure --enable-symtable=none --infodir="/usr/share/info" 
--sysconfdir="/etc" --localstatedir="/var" --enable-atomic="no" 
--with-gssapi=yes --with-libxml2=no

This fails because of libuv

checking for pthread_set_name_np... no
checking for pthread_np.h... no
checking for libuv... checking for libuv >= 1.0.0... no
configure: error: libuv not found

I have libuv installed, however.  It is version 1.41.0.

I would appreciate any suggestions on how to fix this.

Thank you,
Paul


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how to stop and remove BIND 9.9.7-P3 on Mac OS X High Sierra 10.13.6?

2021-03-25 Thread Paul Cizmas

Hello:

I am required by the school’s IT to replace BIND 9.9.7-P3 with 9.16.13.  

I identified that indeed the version running is 9.9.7-P3 by typing “named -v”.

I am totally new to BIND and tried to follow the directions given at 
https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-00312# .

I tried to stop BIND from running, by typing: 

"sudo service org.isc.named stop"

but it appears that “service” must be replaced by something else because I get:

~$ sudo service org.isc.named stop
Password:
sudo: service: command not found

What should “service” be? 

Is there another command I should issue to stop BIND?

Thank you,
Paul


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BIND 9.16.13 and Mac OS X 10.13.6 - problems with ./configure

how to stop and remove BIND 9.9.7-P3 on Mac OS X High Sierra 10.13.6?

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