Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-28 Thread Phil Mayers
On 27/04/16 20:44, Barry Margolin wrote: I've long since stopped getting bothered by sloppy language like this, ever since people started using "IP" as short for "IP address", or using "class A, B, C" to refer to /8, /6, and /24 prefixes, rather than the original address ranges. The context alw

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Sam Wilson wrote: > In article , > "Baird, Josh" wrote: > > > Any thoughts on a service like Cloudfare's 'CNAME Flattening' [1]? > > > > [1] > > https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cname > > s-at-a-domains-root/ > > > Does anyone else find t

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Bob Harold
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:39 AM, John R. Levine wrote: > At the same time, the browser developers, almost without exception, refuse >> to implement SRV because they don't like the idea that they might have to >> do another DNS lookup prior to displaying a web page. And they lobby the >> W3C pre

RE: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Tony Finch
Baird, Josh wrote: > Any thoughts on a service like Cloudfare's 'CNAME Flattening' [1]? > > [1] > https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root/ Run a command like this from cron aname example.com www.example.com | nsupdate -l Using th

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Sam Wilson
In article , "Baird, Josh" wrote: > Any thoughts on a service like Cloudfare's 'CNAME Flattening' [1]? > > [1] > https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root/ Does anyone else find themselves mentally yelling "apex!" whenever they read the

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread John Levine
>> You would only be able to do this if you could put the CNAME record >> in the parent domain, instead of delegating domain.com to your own >> server. But do any domain registrars support that option? > >And would the registry (here, Verisign) accept it? As far as I know, >no. This smells a lot

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread John R. Levine
At the same time, the browser developers, almost without exception, refuse to implement SRV because they don't like the idea that they might have to do another DNS lookup prior to displaying a web page. And they lobby the W3C pretty hard to not standardize SRV for HTTP. That's a pretty serious i

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread John Miller
> But this is getting way off topic for BIND-users, and should probably be > moved to dns-operati...@dns-oarc.net if we want to continue. Much obliged! John ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this lis

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , "Baird, Josh" wrote: > Any thoughts on a service like Cloudfare's 'CNAME Flattening' [1]? > > [1] > https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames- > at-a-domains-root/ Akamai has had a similar feature in their EDNS service for years. One problem t

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 27 April 2016 at 07:40, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:32:48AM -0700, > Matthew Pounsett wrote > a message of 49 lines which said: > > > One of these days I'd like to lead a serious lobbying effort against > > the browser developers at the W3C to have SRV records fo

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 27 April 2016 at 07:42, Baird, Josh wrote: > Any thoughts on a service like Cloudfare's 'CNAME Flattening' [1]? > > [1] > https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cname-flattening-rfc-compliant-cnames-at-a-domains-root/ It's possible. We do a similar thing at eNom... we allow end-users to in

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread John R. Levine
Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. www CNAME x.y.com. No, this does not work. You're forgetting what goes around the example records: domain.com. IN SOA ... domain.com IN CNAME x.y.com. domain.com IN NS ... www.domain.com. IN CNAME x.y.com. Oh, rig

RE: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Baird, Josh
g] On Behalf Of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:36 AM To: Daniel Dawalibi Cc: comp-protocols-dns-b...@isc.org; 'Barry Margolin' Subject: Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:26:53PM +0300, Daniel Dawalibi wrote a message of 50

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 07:32:48AM -0700, Matthew Pounsett wrote a message of 49 lines which said: > One of these days I'd like to lead a serious lobbying effort against > the browser developers at the W3C to have SRV records for HTTP > standardized. I fully agree and, if you're brave enough

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:23:19AM -0400, Barry Margolin wrote a message of 28 lines which said: > You would only be able to do this if you could put the CNAME record > in the parent domain, instead of delegating domain.com to your own > server. But do any domain registrars support that optio

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:26:53PM +0300, Daniel Dawalibi wrote a message of 50 lines which said: > DNS registrar that can offer this option by using apex/naked/root > domain redirection Sorry, but I cannot parse this sentence. Also, as I said, this is not about the root, it is about your ou

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 27 April 2016 at 07:26, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:05:50PM +0300, > Daniel Dawalibi wrote > a message of 52 lines which said: > > > our setup requires a CNAME record. > > Bad setup. (And has always been bad.) > > This isn't really his fault. The OP's goal shoul

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread John Miller
If your domain is ourweddingaccount.com, and you're looking to have the apex record ourweddingaccount.com.CNAME some.other.domain. but still host other records in the ourweddingaccount.com zone, you can't. That's not how CNAME records work. A CNAME record is an alias for a particular _l

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 05:05:50PM +0300, Daniel Dawalibi wrote a message of 52 lines which said: > our setup requires a CNAME record. Bad setup. (And has always been bad.) ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubs

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 01:56:27PM -, John Levine wrote a message of 23 lines which said: > Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): > > Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. > www CNAME x.y.com. > > it should work. I disagree. I have the same experience as Daniel Dawalibi, it does not wo

RE: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Daniel Dawalibi
-protocols-dns-b...@isc.org Subject: Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue In article , "John Levine" wrote: > Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): > > Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. > www CNAME x.y.com. > > it should work. Some people believe that you ca

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , "John Levine" wrote: > Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): > > Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. > www CNAME x.y.com. > > it should work. Some people believe that you can't have other records > at names below a name with a CNAME, but they are mistaken. The problem isn't w

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On 27 April 2016 at 06:56, John Levine wrote: > Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): > > Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. > www CNAME x.y.com. > No, this does not work. You're forgetting what goes around the example records: domain.com. IN SOA ... domain.com IN CNAME x.y.com. domain.com

RE: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Daniel Dawalibi
: 27 April, 2016 4:56 PM To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Cc: daniel.dawal...@idm.net.lb Subject: Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. www CNAME x.y.com. it should work. Some people believe that you can't have

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread John Levine
Assuming you mean this (notice the dots): Domain.com. CNAME x.y.com. www CNAME x.y.com. it should work. Some people believe that you can't have other records at names below a name with a CNAME, but they are mistaken. On the other hand, this will not work. domain.com. CNAME x.y.com.

Re: Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 02:55:18PM +0300, Daniel Dawalibi wrote a message of 99 lines which said: > We are facing a resolving problem on BIND DNS when adding a CNAME RR > for root domain and other records. I don't think that you manage the root domain so you probably mean that you want to add

Adding CNAME for the root domain issue

2016-04-27 Thread Daniel Dawalibi
Hello We are facing a resolving problem on BIND DNS when adding a CNAME RR for root domain and other records. Do you have any work around since it is not feasible as per the following article http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1034.html RFC1034 section 3.6.2? Example: Domain.com CNAME x.y.c