Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,

our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving 
sites like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only 
affect apple computers.


I notice many requests for dns service discovery:

Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#32844: 
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#49019: 
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#35647: 
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied

these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges 
and I don't want to make them available for users.


Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?
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Re: Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Chuck Swiger

On 4/5/2012 5:08 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

Hello,

our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving sites
like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only affect apple
computers.

I notice many requests for dns service discovery:

Apr 5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#32844:
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr 5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#49019:
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr 5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#35647:
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied

these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges and I
don't want to make them available for users.

Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?


Those are RFC-2792 service discovery requests, used by Bonjour-- see:

  http://www.dns-sd.org/

Denying them won't affect normal DNS resolution, although setting up 
appropriate answers will help Mac (and Windows) clients find resources like 
printers, proxy servers, and so forth appropriate for the domain they live in.


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Re: Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 20120405090858.ga29...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:
 Hello,
 
 our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving 
 sites like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only 
 affect apple computers.
 
 I notice many requests for dns service discovery:
 
 Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#32844:
  query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
 Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#49019:
  query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
 Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#35647:
  query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
 
 these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges 
 and I don't want to make them available for users.
 
 Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?

Well you are leaking RFC 1918 answers.  I would close off the leak by
using views or different nameservers for your machines.

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Re: Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

In message 20120405090858.ga29...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:

our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving
sites like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only
affect apple computers.

I notice many requests for dns service discovery:

Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#32844:
 query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#49019:
 query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#35647:
 query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied

these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges
and I don't want to make them available for users.

Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?


On 06.04.12 08:09, Mark Andrews wrote:

Well you are leaking RFC 1918 answers.  I would close off the leak by
using views or different nameservers for your machines.


I am leaking? :) I am not. client is sending requests and I am denying 
them. I have in plan to move those zones to different servers to avoid 
this problem, and clients will get empty results.


I was curious if these can't cause the problem reported by user, 
however it appears not to be the source of it. I'll have to dig 
further.



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Re: Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 20120405221836.ga4...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:
 In message 20120405090858.ga29...@fantomas.sk, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writ
 es:
  our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving
  sites like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only
  affect apple computers.
 
  I notice many requests for dns service discovery:
 
  Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#328
 44:
   query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
  Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#490
 19:
   query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
  Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#356
 47:
   query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
 
  these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges
  and I don't want to make them available for users.
 
  Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?
 
 On 06.04.12 08:09, Mark Andrews wrote:
 Well you are leaking RFC 1918 answers.  I would close off the leak by
 using views or different nameservers for your machines.
 
 I am leaking? :) I am not. client is sending requests and I am denying 
 them. I have in plan to move those zones to different servers to avoid 
 this problem, and clients will get empty results.

You are *both* leaking RFC 1918 state.  The REFUSED is a leak.  You solution
sounds fine.
 
 I was curious if these can't cause the problem reported by user, 
 however it appears not to be the source of it. I'll have to dig 
 further.

REFUSED isn't a expected answer.
 
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