Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 06:14:25PM +0530,
 babu dheen  wrote 
 a message of 83 lines which said:

> please note that i am not going to host my website in DNS server 

You said the opposite before:

> I am not sure why i do need to pay money to my ISP for hosting my
> website on my company DNS server.



> In short, i can say that we just want to host authorative DNS server
> for my company website(company.com).

Then, you already have all the answers in the thread.
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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[babu dheen]

Hi,
 
 My concern is not giving money to ISP and kindly please note that i am not 
going to host my website in DNS server whereas we are already managing the 
website in our network but using ISP DNS server for name resolution only for 
outside users(internet).
 
In short, i can say that we just want to host authorative DNS server for my 
company website(company.com). 
 
Regards
Babu


--- On Mon, 30/5/11, Stephane Bortzmeyer  wrote:


From: Stephane Bortzmeyer 
Subject: Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet
To: "babu dheen" 
Cc: "Fajar A. Nugraha" , bind-users@lists.isc.org
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 5:38 PM


On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 04:51:18PM +0530,
babu dheen  wrote 
a message of 227 lines which said:

>  I am not sure why i do need to pay money to my ISP for hosting my
> website on my company DNS server.

This sentence seems to indicate that you know very little about
Internet services (hosting a Web site on a DNS server...). In that
case, it would be more careful, as suggested by Fajar A. Nugraha, to
outsource the hosting (and then to spend time learning).

Back to the specific question: if the IAP (Internet Access Provider,
"ISP" is too vague) asks you money to authorize you to deploy a server
on your own machine, switch to another IAP.
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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 04:51:18PM +0530,
 babu dheen  wrote 
 a message of 227 lines which said:

>  I am not sure why i do need to pay money to my ISP for hosting my
> website on my company DNS server.

This sentence seems to indicate that you know very little about
Internet services (hosting a Web site on a DNS server...). In that
case, it would be more careful, as suggested by Fajar A. Nugraha, to
outsource the hosting (and then to spend time learning).

Back to the specific question: if the IAP (Internet Access Provider,
"ISP" is too vague) asks you money to authorize you to deploy a server
on your own machine, switch to another IAP.
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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[babu dheen]

Dear Fajar,
 
 Wonderful response from you. Really appreciate. As you asked, below is my 
update on the checklist. 
 
 I am not sure why i do need to pay money to my ISP for hosting my website on 
my company DNS server.
 
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, here's a somewhat simple
checklist you can look at before you decide whether to run your own
DNS/web server:

(1) Do you know which service you want to create?
Is it a web server? Is it a mail server? Is it a DNS server? All of them?
 
 I just want to create DNS server for my website. Website is managed by me.

(2) Do you know the difference between difference between the services
you're trying to create?
What it does? Which software to use? etc.
 
I am using BIND in my DNS server

(3) Do you know how they work?
Can you setup a web server from scratch? Can you setup a DNS server
from scratch? Do you know about DNS hierarchy? etc.
 
Yes i know how to setup basic DNS server and know the DNS hierarchy. 

(4) Can you manage the servers/services?
Do you know how to keep your system secure? Do you know how to update
a web page or a DNS record? Do you need a HA setup? etc.
 
Yes i know how to update DNS record and know how to configure primary and 
secondary DNS setup in BIND.


If the answer to any one of them if NO, then just use a hosting
provider and have them manage both your website and DNS.

This list is about the DNS software BIND, not about creating your own
website/DNS server. If you have a specific question about BIND, feel
free to ask.



--- On Mon, 30/5/11, Fajar A. Nugraha  wrote:


From: Fajar A. Nugraha 
Subject: Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet
To: "babu dheen" 
Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 3:12 PM


On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, babu dheen  wrote:
>
> Dear Olsen,
>
> thanks for the update. I can follow all the steps but i couldn't understand 
> below two points
>
>  - register/buy the domain name(s) if you haven't already done so.
> - tell your registrar to configure your parent domain so it'll delegate
> your domain to your nameservers
>

Have you EVER manage a domain before, whether hosted or not?
If not, then I HIGHLY recommend you just use a hosting provider and
have them manage both your website and DNS.

Back to your original question:

>  My concern if i want to host my own website, do i need to pay to my ISP?

That depends. You obviously pay them for internet access. You MIGHT
need to pay them if you also use other services, like
- buy your domain from your ISP
- use your ISP's name server for secondary name server
- use your ISP's MX
- use additional IP address for your website

> and please suggest me that if we want to host our parent domain (company.com) 
> also in our own DNS server.

Again, it depends.
If you know how to set it up, then no, you don't need to pay
additional money to your ISP. But it could be YES, if you use some of
their services (see above).


If you have no idea what I'm talking about, here's a somewhat simple
checklist you can look at before you decide whether to run your own
DNS/web server:

(1) Do you know which service you want to create?
Is it a web server? Is it a mail server? Is it a DNS server? All of them?

(2) Do you know the difference between difference between the services
you're trying to create?
What it does? Which software to use? etc.

(3) Do you know how they work?
Can you setup a web server from scratch? Can you setup a DNS server
from scratch? Do you know about DNS hierarchy? etc.

(4) Can you manage the servers/services?
Do you know how to keep your system secure? Do you know how to update
a web page or a DNS record? Do you need a HA setup? etc.


If the answer to any one of them if NO, then just use a hosting
provider and have them manage both your website and DNS.

This list is about the DNS software BIND, not about creating your own
website/DNS server. If you have a specific question about BIND, feel
free to ask.

-- 
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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[Fajar A. Nugraha]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, babu dheen  wrote:
>
> Dear Olsen,
>
> thanks for the update. I can follow all the steps but i couldn't understand 
> below two points
>
>  - register/buy the domain name(s) if you haven't already done so.
> - tell your registrar to configure your parent domain so it'll delegate
> your domain to your nameservers
>

Have you EVER manage a domain before, whether hosted or not?
If not, then I HIGHLY recommend you just use a hosting provider and
have them manage both your website and DNS.

Back to your original question:

>  My concern if i want to host my own website, do i need to pay to my ISP?

That depends. You obviously pay them for internet access. You MIGHT
need to pay them if you also use other services, like
- buy your domain from your ISP
- use your ISP's name server for secondary name server
- use your ISP's MX
- use additional IP address for your website

> and please suggest me that if we want to host our parent domain (company.com) 
> also in our own DNS server.

Again, it depends.
If you know how to set it up, then no, you don't need to pay
additional money to your ISP. But it could be YES, if you use some of
their services (see above).


If you have no idea what I'm talking about, here's a somewhat simple
checklist you can look at before you decide whether to run your own
DNS/web server:

(1) Do you know which service you want to create?
Is it a web server? Is it a mail server? Is it a DNS server? All of them?

(2) Do you know the difference between difference between the services
you're trying to create?
What it does? Which software to use? etc.

(3) Do you know how they work?
Can you setup a web server from scratch? Can you setup a DNS server
from scratch? Do you know about DNS hierarchy? etc.

(4) Can you manage the servers/services?
Do you know how to keep your system secure? Do you know how to update
a web page or a DNS record? Do you need a HA setup? etc.


If the answer to any one of them if NO, then just use a hosting
provider and have them manage both your website and DNS.

This list is about the DNS software BIND, not about creating your own
website/DNS server. If you have a specific question about BIND, feel
free to ask.

-- 
Fajar
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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[babu dheen]

Dear Olsen,
 
thanks for the update. I can follow all the steps but i couldn't understand 
below two points
 
 - register/buy the domain name(s) if you haven't already done so.
- tell your registrar to configure your parent domain so it'll delegate
your domain to your nameservers
 
 
 My concern if i want to host my own website, do i need to pay to my ISP? and 
please suggest me that if we want to host our parent domain (company.com) also 
in our own DNS server.
 
Regards
Babu

--- On Mon, 30/5/11, Eivind Olsen  wrote:


From: Eivind Olsen 
Subject: Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Date: Monday, 30 May, 2011, 12:18 PM


babu dheen wrote:

>   Can anyone have any idea as to how we can host our own autherative DNS
> server for my company. For example if my company domain is "mycompany.com,
> we want to maintain our own DNS server so that users across world should
> contact our DNS server for name resolution for "mycompany.com" domain.

The most basic way would be:
- install a nameserver (BIND) somewhere, and make sure it's reachable on
tcp+udp port 53 from the entire world
- set up one or more zonefile, configure domain(s) in named.conf
- configure one or more external slave servers to _also_ be authoritative
for your domain(s), fetching updates from your master DNS server.
- make sure your slave server(s) can actually do a zone transfer from your
master. You might also want to prevent others (anyone except your slave
servers) from doing this.
- register/buy the domain name(s) if you haven't already done so.
- tell your registrar to configure your parent domain so it'll delegate
your domain to your nameservers.

Regards
Eivind Olsen
eiv...@aminor.no



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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:31:28AM +0530,
 babu dheen  wrote 
 a message of 44 lines which said:

> Can anyone have any idea as to how we can host our own autherative
> DNS server for my company. 

There is not much diference between the hosting of a DNS server and
the hosting of any other Internet server. Three possibilities:

1) You host it on your premises, connected through your normal IAP
(Internet Access Provider) and you deal with power, air conditioning,
system administration, etc. Maximum control, but may be a problem with
some IAP which, for instance, do not allocate you enough public IPv4
addresses (and still do not have IPv6).

2) You rent a virtual or physical server somewhere in the "cloud" and
you manage it. No longer power and air conditioning issues (someone
else's business) but you still have to do system administration. Many
companies have such a service for less than 30 US$/month 
(,
, ,
 and many, many others).

3) You subcontract everything to one of the many companies which
provide hosting of a service they manage. Less control, may be
questionable (you lose independance), works only for services for
which there is an offer (HTTP, of course, but DNS works also).

There is something specific to the DNS: you need at least two physical
POP. For solution 1), it may be a problem. Nevertheless, some DNS
providers allow you to have a master and provide you with a
slave. Talk to your IAP, registrar, etc.

> For example if my company domain is "mycompany.com, we want to
> maintain our own DNS server so that users across world should
> contact our DNS server for name resolution for "mycompany.com"
> domain.

This does not require that you have your own servers. My blog is
reachable by http://www.bortzmeyer.org/ even if I don't have it on my
name servers (entirely hosted by a DNS provider).
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Re: Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[Eivind Olsen]

babu dheen wrote:

>   Can anyone have any idea as to how we can host our own autherative DNS
> server for my company. For example if my company domain is "mycompany.com,
> we want to maintain our own DNS server so that users across world should
> contact our DNS server for name resolution for "mycompany.com" domain.

The most basic way would be:
- install a nameserver (BIND) somewhere, and make sure it's reachable on
tcp+udp port 53 from the entire world
- set up one or more zonefile, configure domain(s) in named.conf
- configure one or more external slave servers to _also_ be authoritative
for your domain(s), fetching updates from your master DNS server.
- make sure your slave server(s) can actually do a zone transfer from your
master. You might also want to prevent others (anyone except your slave
servers) from doing this.
- register/buy the domain name(s) if you haven't already done so.
- tell your registrar to configure your parent domain so it'll delegate
your domain to your nameservers.

Regards
Eivind Olsen
eiv...@aminor.no



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Hosting my company DNS server in Internet

[babu dheen]

Hi,
 
  Can anyone have any idea as to how we can host our own autherative DNS server 
for my company. For example if my company domain is "mycompany.com, we want to 
maintain our own DNS server so that users across world should contact our DNS 
server for name resolution for "mycompany.com" domain.
 
Regards
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