Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
Seriously, can we stop discussing this now? If you need subject line tags, or your mail client doesn't properly know how to respond only to the list, or whatever -- please go work that out on your own. The majority of users on the list don't want or need these things, and many of us find things like subject line tags a repulsive waste of screen real estate. I normally stay out of these discussions, but this message, "I use mail a certain way, so everyone else should have to put up with the things I need to accommodate my way of working" was just too much. TRY filtering your mail into proper folders ... do it for a week, a month, whatever. If your mail client doesn't notify you when mail gets put into a folder, get a better mail client. Once you try doing it that way for a while chances are near 100% that you will like it much better. Doug PS, you kids get off my lawn! On 05/09/2013 03:43 PM, Sten Carlsen wrote: This is also the way I use mail, so +1. On 09/05/13 23:02, Carlos M. martinez wrote: My mail setup is as limited as my eyesight. As I mentioned, I have emails in my inbox and filter afterwards in order to keep mbox size at reasonable levels. In this way I don't forget to check this or that folder. While on inbox I filter by looking at the tags. Works really well and I know quite a few people who do the same. I counted and I'm subscribed to over 50 mailing lists and this is the only one which does not tag the subject. Probably you've discussed this in the past (I'm a rather new subscriber), so I apologize for bringing up a dead horse. regards, Carlos On 5/8/13 10:53 PM, Michael McNally wrote: On 5/8/13 9:43 AM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to. Unless your mail setup is extremely restricted in what it can filter on, you have several choices of header which can be used by an automated filter to detect and classify appropriately according to list. Personally I have procmail file bind-users traffic based on the "List-Id:" header, but I realize you may be in a different environment with different tools available.) List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List Michael McNally ISC Support ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On May 9, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: > My mail setup is as limited as my eyesight. As I mentioned, I have > emails in my inbox and filter afterwards in order to keep mbox size at > reasonable levels. In this way I don't forget to check this or that folder. I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Does your mail client not download all your mail and show you which mailboxes have new messages? I can't conceive of using a mail client that doesn't do this -- without it, automated filtering is useless, because as you said you would have to check every folder to see if there are new messages in it. My mail client shows the number of unread messages next to each mail folder, except for those that have no unread messages. I do not have to click on each folder to cause this to happen. Regards, Chris Buxton ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
This is also the way I use mail, so +1. On 09/05/13 23:02, Carlos M. martinez wrote: > My mail setup is as limited as my eyesight. As I mentioned, I have > emails in my inbox and filter afterwards in order to keep mbox size at > reasonable levels. In this way I don't forget to check this or that folder. > > While on inbox I filter by looking at the tags. Works really well and I > know quite a few people who do the same. I counted and I'm subscribed to > over 50 mailing lists and this is the only one which does not tag the > subject. > > Probably you've discussed this in the past (I'm a rather new > subscriber), so I apologize for bringing up a dead horse. > > regards, > > Carlos > > On 5/8/13 10:53 PM, Michael McNally wrote: >> On 5/8/13 9:43 AM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: >>> Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have >>> things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a >>> lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to. >> Unless your mail setup is extremely restricted in what it can filter >> on, you have several choices of header which can be used by an >> automated filter to detect and classify appropriately according to list. >> >> Personally I have procmail file bind-users traffic based on the >> "List-Id:" header, but I realize you may be in a different environment >> with different tools available.) >> >>List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List >> >> Michael McNally >> ISC Support >> ___ >> Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to >> unsubscribe from this list >> >> bind-users mailing list >> bind-users@lists.isc.org >> https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > ___ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe > from this list > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users -- Best regards Sten Carlsen No improvements come from shouting: "MALE BOVINE MANURE!!!" ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On 5/9/2013 5:02 PM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: My mail setup is as limited as my eyesight. As I mentioned, I have emails in my inbox and filter afterwards in order to keep mbox size at reasonable levels. In this way I don't forget to check this or that folder. While on inbox I filter by looking at the tags. Works really well and I know quite a few people who do the same. I counted and I'm subscribed to over 50 mailing lists and this is the only one which does not tag the subject. Probably you've discussed this in the past (I'm a rather new subscriber), so I apologize for bringing up a dead horse. regards, Carlos On 5/8/13 10:53 PM, Michael McNally wrote: On 5/8/13 9:43 AM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to. Unless your mail setup is extremely restricted in what it can filter on, you have several choices of header which can be used by an automated filter to detect and classify appropriately according to list. Personally I have procmail file bind-users traffic based on the "List-Id:" header, but I realize you may be in a different environment with different tools available.) List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List Michael McNally ISC Support ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users Hello, I want to mention that the ThunderBird e-mail application by Mozilla works great and groups the topics appropriately. It looks fairly nice and appropriate too. I use it on Windows computers and a variety of "plugins" end up available. A variety of ways exist to block e-mails from specific domains, if I recall correctly, but then I mostly work with Microsoft Windows systems (I apologize). The ThunderBird program runs on a variety of systems including Linux, et al. I currently operate no DNS or X-Mail systems but I know all systems provide a way to block outgoing mail and HTTP/HTTPS access to specific domains, even the Microsoft Windows systems. I miss the old newsgroups that used to exist and I miss Outlook Express too. ThunderBird provides a way to group the topics and it works very well. I hope this helps you with your e-mail problems. ThunderBird ends up as open-source software and I think they provide already compiled software as well to many different operating systems. The text-size and other (font selection) within the application either works as the operating system configures it, or as configured in the about:config or other configuration files. -- James And Imelda Carlock ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
My mail setup is as limited as my eyesight. As I mentioned, I have emails in my inbox and filter afterwards in order to keep mbox size at reasonable levels. In this way I don't forget to check this or that folder. While on inbox I filter by looking at the tags. Works really well and I know quite a few people who do the same. I counted and I'm subscribed to over 50 mailing lists and this is the only one which does not tag the subject. Probably you've discussed this in the past (I'm a rather new subscriber), so I apologize for bringing up a dead horse. regards, Carlos On 5/8/13 10:53 PM, Michael McNally wrote: > On 5/8/13 9:43 AM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: >> Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have >> things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a >> lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to. > > Unless your mail setup is extremely restricted in what it can filter > on, you have several choices of header which can be used by an > automated filter to detect and classify appropriately according to list. > > Personally I have procmail file bind-users traffic based on the > "List-Id:" header, but I realize you may be in a different environment > with different tools available.) > >List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List > > Michael McNally > ISC Support > ___ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to > unsubscribe from this list > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On 5/8/2013 23:53, Michael McNally wrote:
> On 5/8/13 9:43 AM, Carlos M. martinez wrote:
>> Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have
>> things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a
>> lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to.
>
> Unless your mail setup is extremely restricted in what it can filter
> on, you have several choices of header which can be used by an
> automated filter to detect and classify appropriately according to list.
>
> Personally I have procmail file bind-users traffic based on the
> "List-Id:" header, but I realize you may be in a different environment
> with different tools available.)
>
>List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List
>
> Michael McNally
> ISC Support
I use Sieve, this is my filter syntax for bind-users:
if header :contains "list-id" "" {
fileinto "INBOX/ML/bind-users";
stop;
}
Works with any other list that uses the list-id header.
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Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On 5/8/13 9:43 AM, Carlos M. martinez wrote: Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to. Unless your mail setup is extremely restricted in what it can filter on, you have several choices of header which can be used by an automated filter to detect and classify appropriately according to list. Personally I have procmail file bind-users traffic based on the "List-Id:" header, but I realize you may be in a different environment with different tools available.) List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List Michael McNally ISC Support ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 13:59 -0400, Chip Marshall wrote: > On 2013-05-08, Steven Carr sent: > > Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing > > list to reply to the list by default instead of the user > > posting the message? > > I'd argue the settings are already correct. Having the mailing > list software rewrite the Reply-to line causes information to be > lost, and can make it difficult to reply to the original poster > of a message. > > Mail-Followup-To is more appropriate for replying to the > mailing list. > > See: http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html > And just because DJB says it, doesn't make it so, it is just his opinion, and one only needs look at his track history to know that. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 13:59 -0400, Chip Marshall wrote: > On 2013-05-08, Steven Carr sent: > > Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing > > list to reply to the list by default instead of the user > > posting the message? > > I'd argue the settings are already correct. Having the mailing > list software rewrite the Reply-to line causes information to be > lost, and can make it difficult to reply to the original poster > of a message. > I argue different, If I post on a list, I want anyone replying to my list post, to also be on list, and same expectation for others posting on list, ie, if you post on list like now, you replies should go on list, unless you (or I) specifically ask for off-list replies. If I want direct, I'll be bad and scrape the list and mail you all direct :) POC: This email address is for lists only, it is not my personal address, anything not put in its appropriate mailing list folder is placed in "z_lists direct" not my inbox, now I am a member of some 37 mailing lists, of which 26 are active non-new/announce types, so the z_lists direct folder named deliberately to sit at the bottom may not be noticed, and frankly I don't always bother checking it for days, given 99% of the posts in it ends up being spam that gets passed our anti-spam rules - years of lists web archiving see's to that. <> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
>> Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list to >> reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the message? This is a religious argument. Please, leave it alone. >And, If I might add, adding a tag to the subject like [bind-users] would >be extremely nice. It's twelve years after RFC 2919 and people are still using mail software that can't filter on List-ID? Aw, come on. In gmail, it takes about 15 seconds to add a rule to apply a label to mail with a particular list-ID. ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On 2013-05-08, Steven Carr sent: Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list to reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the message? On 08.05.13 13:59, Chip Marshall wrote: I'd argue the settings are already correct. Having the mailing list software rewrite the Reply-to line causes information to be lost, and can make it difficult to reply to the original poster of a message. Mail-Followup-To is more appropriate for replying to the mailing list. See: http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html I second this. Changing subject is also something I don't like to see. The filtering or diferentiating messages can be done on better way than modifying subject. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory. ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/08/2013 01:28 PM, wbr...@e1b.org wrote: >> From: Steven Carr > >> Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list >> to reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the >> message? > > Why, Are the settings wrong? > > I have used and later run lists for years, and supported > Listserv(tm) servers for others for most of those years. There is > no right or wrong for the reply settings. It's really a personal > preference of the list owner as to how replies should be handled. > If the message should go back to the list, use reply all. That's > supported by all the major mail clients. > > Subject tagging is another preference item - no right or wrong. I > have my mail client filter on the sender moving list traffic into > the appropriate folder. Works just as well as filtering on the > tag. My personal preference is to have subject tagging, and I know of no other list where it's not on. Reply-To: my understanding is that the way this list set up is the correct way to have the list set up. There are reply-to-list options in most decent mail clients that can handle this. - -- - _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Sr. Systems Programmer |$&| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |novos...@umdnj.edu - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/EI-Academic Svcs. - ADMC 450, Newark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlGKnCAACgkQmb+gadEcsb6KHwCfVxQfOY41XVxF3KAO4BAjX/U5 T6UAn06xQqwKTZF4j3qe6FBMCUJDuq26 =cVwP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
On 2013-05-08, Steven Carr sent: > Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing > list to reply to the list by default instead of the user > posting the message? I'd argue the settings are already correct. Having the mailing list software rewrite the Reply-to line causes information to be lost, and can make it difficult to reply to the original poster of a message. Mail-Followup-To is more appropriate for replying to the mailing list. See: http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html -- Chip Marshall http://2bithacker.net/ ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
Agreed, but, subject tagging is very useful for those who prefer to have things hit your inbox first, before archiving. And there seems to be a lot more agreement on the tagging issue than on the reply to. Out of dozens of MLs I'm subscribed to, this is the only one which does not tag the subject, making it feel weird. The reply-to seems to be 50-50, again according to my personal subscriptions. regards ~Carlos On 5/8/13 12:27 PM, wbr...@e1b.org wrote: >> From: Steven Carr > >> Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list to >> reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the message? > > Why, Are the settings wrong? > > I have used and later run lists for years, and supported Listserv(tm) > servers for others for most of those years. There is no right or wrong > for the reply settings. It's really a personal preference of the list > owner as to how replies should be handled. If the message should go back > to the list, use reply all. That's supported by all the major mail > clients. > > Subject tagging is another preference item - no right or wrong. I have my > mail client filter on the sender moving list traffic into the appropriate > folder. Works just as well as filtering on the tag. > > > > Confidentiality Notice: > This electronic message and any attachments may contain confidential or > privileged information, and is intended only for the individual or entity > identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee (or the > employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the addressee), or if this > message has been addressed to you in error, you are hereby notified that > you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of this message or any > attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail or > telephone and delete this message from your system. > ___ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe > from this list > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
> From: Steven Carr > Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list to > reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the message? Why, Are the settings wrong? I have used and later run lists for years, and supported Listserv(tm) servers for others for most of those years. There is no right or wrong for the reply settings. It's really a personal preference of the list owner as to how replies should be handled. If the message should go back to the list, use reply all. That's supported by all the major mail clients. Subject tagging is another preference item - no right or wrong. I have my mail client filter on the sender moving list traffic into the appropriate folder. Works just as well as filtering on the tag. Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information, and is intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee (or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the addressee), or if this message has been addressed to you in error, you are hereby notified that you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of this message or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete this message from your system. ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Re: Mailing list "reply-to" setting
And, If I might add, adding a tag to the subject like [bind-users] would be extremely nice. regards ~Carlos On 5/8/13 12:02 PM, Steven Carr wrote: > Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list to > reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the message? > > Thanks > > Steve > ___ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe > from this list > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
Mailing list "reply-to" setting
Any chance someone can correct the settings on this mailing list to reply to the list by default instead of the user posting the message? Thanks Steve ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.org https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users
