Re: About root zones

2012-01-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 02.01.12 17:03, Barry Margolin wrote: In that case, you probably shouldn't enable the option. I'm not even suggesting that the option be on by default. Actually, does libresolv really use those other facilities? In article mailman.665.1325598835.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Matus UHLAR

Re: About root zones

2012-01-04 Thread WBrown
micho...@cisco.com wrote on 01/03/2012 04:54:51 PM: Maybe it's because I started in networking... But TCP/IP (or IPv6 these days) is quite the subsystem to avoid. Really, like it or not, you are actually responsible for understanding interactions with subsystems your managed system must

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should use system resolver rather than querying by itself. 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: BIND will not use system

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: If the system resolver is good enough for every other application running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. Why not at least allow this as an option? In article mailman.656.1325532888.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Chuck

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Barry Margolin
In article mailman.665.1325598835.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: If the system resolver is good enough for every other application running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND.

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: I don't see your point now. I'm afraid that you will have to live with the fact that you can not disable sending queries from BIND when it needs them, you can only prevent it by configuring BIND (so it will not need them) or firewall such

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Lyle Giese
On 01/03/12 07:53, Peter Andreev wrote: 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomasuh...@fantomas.sk: On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should use system resolver rather than querying by itself. 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR -

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/3 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: I don't see your point now. I'm afraid that you will have to live with the fact that you can not disable sending queries from BIND when it needs them, you can only prevent it by

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Andreev wrote: Unfortunately as I learning BIND more, I understand that it is not very suitable for my requirements. Which are? I've been trying to understand what the actual problem you are trying to solve might be. Regards, -- -Chuck

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Barry Margolin
In article mailman.668.1325603242.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Lyle Giese l...@lcrcomputer.net wrote: For instance, I want to attach to the server using VNC or SSH for maintanence. By default, they want to do do a reverse lookup of your ip address before allowing access. Now you wait

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/3 Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com: On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Andreev wrote: Unfortunately as I learning BIND more, I understand that it is not very suitable for my requirements. Which are?  I've been trying to understand what the actual problem you are trying to solve might be.

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Kevin Darcy
On 1/2/2012 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: In articlemailman.654.1325531095.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Kevin Darcyk...@chrysler.com wrote: I agree with Matus. BIND should be as self-sufficient as possible, and not make any assumptions about the capability of and/or the data it expects

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread michoski
On 1/3/12 12:46 PM, Kevin Darcy k...@chrysler.com wrote: Those server folks have strange ideas about name resolution. Strange enough that sometimes I don't even understand what the hell they are trying to accomplish. In all fairness, lots of folks have strange ideas. We should start with

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Mark Andrews
If you want named to be authoritative only set recursion no; or allow-recursion { none; } or allow-query-cache { none; }; and no data will be returned from the cache. allow-recursion and allow-query-cache cross inherit from each other. If you only want master zones to send notify messages then

Re: About root zones

2012-01-03 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/4 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org: If you want named to be authoritative only set recursion no; or allow-recursion { none; } or allow-query-cache { none; }; and no data will be returned from the cache.  allow-recursion and allow-query-cache cross inherit from each other. If you only want

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: All these servers are slaves. They don't send notifies. 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: they do, unless you have turned it off... On 22.12.11 11:54, Peter Andreev wrote: Of course I turned it off, it's normal practice for

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Peter Andreev
2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: All these servers are slaves. They don't send notifies. 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: they do, unless you have turned it off... On 22.12.11 11:54, Peter Andreev wrote: Of

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: I think that if server is authoritative - and - slave-only it should use system resolver rather than querying by itself. 2012/1/2 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: BIND will not use system resolver. BIND is the resolver. Relying on other

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Kevin Darcy
On 1/2/2012 5:42 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: All these servers are slaves. They don't send notifies. 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: they do, unless you have turned it off... On 22.12.11 11:54, Peter Andreev wrote: Of

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Barry Margolin
In article mailman.654.1325531095.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Kevin Darcy k...@chrysler.com wrote: I agree with Matus. BIND should be as self-sufficient as possible, and not make any assumptions about the capability of and/or the data it expects to get from the system resolver If the

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: If the system resolver is good enough for every other application running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. Why not at least allow this as an option? The system resolver will happily provide answers based upon data from

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 01/02/2012 11:16, Barry Margolin wrote: In article mailman.654.1325531095.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Kevin Darcy k...@chrysler.com wrote: I agree with Matus. BIND should be as self-sufficient as possible, and not make any assumptions about the capability of and/or the data it

Re: About root zones

2012-01-02 Thread Barry Margolin
In article mailman.656.1325532888.68562.bind-us...@lists.isc.org, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Barry Margolin wrote: If the system resolver is good enough for every other application running on the system, it should be good enough for BIND. Why not

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/20 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: 2011/12/20 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org:        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2011/12/20 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org:        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: 2011/12/20 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org:        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone

RE: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Lightner, Jeff
=water@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Peter Andreev Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:05 AM To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: About root zones 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: 2011/12/20 Mark Andrews ma

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? On 21.12.11 13:05, Peter Andreev wrote: Well, we run a bunch of authoritative-only slave servers and obviously they don't have to perform any

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? On 21.12.11 13:05, Peter Andreev wrote: Well, we run a bunch of authoritative-only

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: Disabling recursion should do the same afaik. However, disabling additional-from-cache is OK and afaik disabled by default. On 21.12.11 19:21, Peter Andreev wrote: No, it is enabled by default. server needs to resolve names if it's

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread David Forrest
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011, Peter Andreev wrote: Ok, may be I'm a paranoid and worrying about trifles, but news about compiled in hints astonished me. The test shown here may calm you (if it shows refusal): https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/articles/upward-referrals-considered-harmful Dave -- David

Re: About root zones

2011-12-21 Thread Peter Andreev
David, thank you, I checked and all seems good :). 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: 2011/12/21 Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk: Disabling recursion should do the same afaik. However, disabling additional-from-cache is OK and afaik disabled by default. On

Re: About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread Mark Andrews
Named has a compiled in set of root hints. It is used if a root zone is not defined in named.conf. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread Peter Andreev
2011/12/20 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org:        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf.        Mark Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal purposes? -- Mark

Re: About root zones

2011-12-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
2011/12/20 Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org:        Named has a compiled in set of root hints.  It is used if        a root zone is not defined in named.conf. On 20.12.11 17:37, Peter Andreev wrote: Whether it means that without hint zone named still can perform iterative lookups for its internal