Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/7/22 9:45 AM, Fred Morris wrote: The PUBLIC DNS is not secure against eavesdropping or parallel construction and never will be. Even if the information is out there, I believe there is an exposure risk for ISPs if they do something that makes it /easy/ to correlate customer / client

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread Fred Morris
"Problems"... On Sun, 6 Nov 2022, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote: On 11/6/22 6:39 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: alternatively they can choose to 0/28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. or 0-15.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. instead of 0-28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. N.B. I've had some problems with

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread Fred Morris
Don't kid yourself. This is wishing for a security outcome which will never reach fruition because of asymmetric interests and capabilities. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote: [...] I find that $CLIENTNAME or some other stand in for the client is a potential for

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 07.11.22 15:57, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: Finally had the opportunity to get back to this. Having internet connection restored, everything seems to be working as supposed to. One simple query from my client and one response from my server. Output from wireshark: 1 0.00

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread David Carvalho via bind-users
s not working when Internet connection failed. On 05.11.22 09:58, David Alexandre M. de Carvalho via bind-users wrote: >Thank you all for the replies. >For what I understand after reading your replies (I might be wrong :) >), reverse lookups fail when I have no outgoing connection

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 11/6/22 11:12 AM, Carl Byington via bind-users wrote: or use $clientname.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. as the intermediate zone which has a slight advantage when the same client has multiple disjoint parts of the same /24. On 06.11.22 20:08, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote: I find that

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 11/6/22 6:39 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: 3. allow your servers to to fetch 66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. On 06.11.22 20:05, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote: Is this 3rd step documented somewhere? I searched for it in RFC 2317 but didn't find it. Maybe I over looked it. This step is

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-06 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/6/22 6:39 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: 3. allow your servers to to fetch 66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. Is this 3rd step documented somewhere? I searched for it in RFC 2317 but didn't find it. Maybe I over looked it. alternatively they can choose to 0/28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. or

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-06 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/6/22 11:12 AM, Carl Byington via bind-users wrote: or use $clientname.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. as the intermediate zone which has a slight advantage when the same client has multiple disjoint parts of the same /24. I find that $CLIENTNAME or some other stand in for the client is a

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-06 Thread Carl Byington via bind-users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 2022-11-06 at 14:39 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > alternatively they can choose to 0/28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. or > 0-15.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. > instead of 0-28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. or use

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 05.11.22 09:58, David Alexandre M. de Carvalho via bind-users wrote: Thank you all for the replies. For what I understand after reading your replies (I might be wrong :) ), reverse lookups fail when I have no outgoing connection because some caching or or transfer is needed from

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-05 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/5/22 4:32 AM, Ondřej Surý wrote: The IPv4 reverse zone is easy to scrape and stored for situations like this… just saying. Fair enough. Though if we're going to not officially sanctioned behavior, I'm inclined to create a local version of the 66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. zone that CNAMEs

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-05 Thread Ondřej Surý
The IPv4 reverse zone is easy to scrape and stored for situations like this… just saying. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him) My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours. > On 5. 11. 2022, at 0:48, Grant

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-05 Thread David Alexandre M. de Carvalho via bind-users
Thank you all for the replies. For what I understand after reading your replies (I might be wrong :) ), reverse lookups fail when I have no outgoing connection because some caching or or transfer is needed from 66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. , wich I don't control. This is divided in several

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/4/22 2:07 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: Any ISP that offers these delegations should be allowing their customers to transfer the zone that contains the CNAMEs for the customer address space by default. I've had enough trouble getting ISPs to support 2317 delegation period. I think that

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/4/22 12:09 PM, Cuttler, Brian R (HEALTH) via bind-users wrote: My pointer zones are more like Zone "28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa.", I've never had that leading "0-" Is that typical? What does it do? I invite you to go skim RFC 2317 -- Classless IN-ADDR.ARPA Delegation. TL;DR: 2317 is a

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Mark Andrews
Or do what should have been done in the first place and be a unlisted secondary of 1.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. This way David you track the changes your ISP makes to the zone as customers come and go. Your ISP should let you transfer this zone as it is REQUIRED for your reverse lookups to work

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Cuttler, Brian R (HEALTH) via bind-users
ind-users On Behalf Of Cuttler, Brian R (HEALTH) via bind-users Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 2:09 PM To: Grant Taylor ; bind-users@lists.isc.org Subject: RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed. ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Cuttler, Brian R (HEALTH) via bind-users
-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed. ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails. On 11/4/22 10:54 AM, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: >

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/4/22 11:19 AM, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: Thanks again. You're welcome again. :-) Probably. Am I supposed to, I have just 2 segments in this network (and 2 others on another work) ? Normally no, you're not supposed to /need/ to have a copy of an intermediate zone.

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread David Carvalho via bind-users
Taylor via bind-users Sent: 04 November 2022 17:07 To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed. On 11/4/22 10:54 AM, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: > Thanks for the replies. You're welcome. > My reverse zone in named.conf. M

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/4/22 10:54 AM, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: Thanks for the replies. You're welcome. My reverse zone in named.conf. My secondary dns gets it automatically daily, along with the "di.ubi.pt.". ACK zone "0-28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa." IN { allow-query { any; };

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Fred Morris
Hi. On Fri, 4 Nov 2022, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote: 2) Leverage Response Policy Zone(s) to try to influence the lookup as others suggested. E.g. cause 1.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. to become 1.0-28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. locally. -- I'd have to read about how to do this. [...] 1

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Lyle Giese
not working when Internet connection failed. On 04.11.22 15:41, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: We've had an internet failure for a few days last week and as services got online I found the following: Dns queries about my.domain from my.domain worked as expected. Since there was no internet

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread David Carvalho via bind-users
have to study more about some things you guys wrote. This is getting complicated  Regards David -Original Message- From: bind-users On Behalf Of Grant Taylor via bind-users Sent: 04 November 2022 16:36 To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet con

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 11/4/22 10:07 AM, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: My reverse zone file What is the origin of your zone file? 0-28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa.? 1.0-28.66.136.193.in-addr.arpa. IN A 193.136.66.1 You seem to be using RFC 2317 Classless IN-ADDR.ARPA delegation. As

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Fred Morris
Ok. This is public address space. Delegation for reverse zones is separate from forward zones. Kind of depends on where the connectivity failure is, as to whether or not clients can walk the delegation tree (or need to). Then there's the effect of TTLs expiring. -- Fred Morris, internet

RE: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread David Carvalho via bind-users
@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed. On 04.11.22 15:41, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: >We've had an internet failure for a few days last week and as services >got online I found the following: > >Dns queries about my.domain from my.do

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Fred Morris
Not enough information is provided about how your PTR zone is configured to allow anyone to provide a definitive answer. (Is this nonroutable space? Where are the machines located? Are they talking directly to the auth servers or are there recursives in the resolution path?) On Fri, 4 Nov

Re: Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 04.11.22 15:41, David Carvalho via bind-users wrote: We've had an internet failure for a few days last week and as services got online I found the following: Dns queries about my.domain from my.domain worked as expected. Since there was no internet connection, I obviously couldn't query

Reverse lookups not working when Internet connection failed.

2022-11-04 Thread David Carvalho via bind-users
Hello, good afternoon. We've had an internet failure for a few days last week and as services got online I found the following: Dns queries about my.domain from my.domain worked as expected. Since there was no internet connection, I obviously couldn't query the outside world. Reverse (PTR)