Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
No. The PTR records that map from IP address to hostname enforce the hostname 
rules. 

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> On 18 Feb 2021, at 02:20, Sten Carlsen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 17 Feb 2021, at 12.34, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Indeed my question was on A record but the issue is on PTR record.
>> I can configure the following line:
>> 
>> _ptr.dekil.nl.  3600IN  PTR 
>> _81.99-129-109.adsl-dyn.isp.dekil.nl
>> 
>> It workswe can use "_"  in both sides.
>> 
>> 
>> But what is strange is that the following configuration do not work:
>> 
>> 9.10.238.195.in-addr.arpa.   3600IN  PTR 
>> por_tal-bis.skynet.be.
>> 
>> "_" is not allowed
>> 
>> Is it due to extra check by bind when it sees it is an arpa zone so no  "_" 
>> is allowed?
> 
> As previously mentioned, the RFCs expressly forbids the "_" in names.
> 
> I assume that a leading "_" slips past Bind's control because it "could" be 
> part of a valid but at compile time unknown _tcp -like label.
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Carlos,
>> 
>> 
>> Sensitivity: Internal Use Only
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ondřej Surý 
>> Sent: 17 February 2021 10:52
>> To: ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>> Cc: Mark Andrews ; bind-users@lists.isc.org
>> Subject: Re: underscore in A or PTR records
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 17. 2. 2021, at 9:50, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The issue we face is that a telecom provider ask us to implement a PTR 
>>> record with a name like “example_try.net"
>> 
>> You are mixing the two things here. If the provider has asked you to create 
>> a PTR record, why do you keep trying to create a forward record? There’s 
>> some information missing somewhere.
>> 
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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Sten Carlsen


> On 17 Feb 2021, at 12.34, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Indeed my question was on A record but the issue is on PTR record.
> I can configure the following line:
> 
> _ptr.dekil.nl.  3600IN  PTR 
> _81.99-129-109.adsl-dyn.isp.dekil.nl
> 
> It workswe can use "_"  in both sides.
> 
> 
> But what is strange is that the following configuration do not work:
> 
> 9.10.238.195.in-addr.arpa.   3600IN  PTR 
> por_tal-bis.skynet.be.
> 
> "_" is not allowed
> 
> Is it due to extra check by bind when it sees it is an arpa zone so no  "_" 
> is allowed?

As previously mentioned, the RFCs expressly forbids the "_" in names.

I assume that a leading "_" slips past Bind's control because it "could" be 
part of a valid but at compile time unknown _tcp -like label.

> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Carlos,
> 
> 
> Sensitivity: Internal Use Only
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ondřej Surý 
> Sent: 17 February 2021 10:52
> To: ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
> Cc: Mark Andrews ; bind-users@lists.isc.org
> Subject: Re: underscore in A or PTR records
> 
>> 
>> On 17. 2. 2021, at 9:50, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The issue we face is that a telecom provider ask us to implement a PTR 
>> record with a name like “example_try.net"
> 
> You are mixing the two things here. If the provider has asked you to create a 
> PTR record, why do you keep trying to create a forward record? There’s some 
> information missing somewhere.
> 
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RE: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST)
Hello,

Indeed my question was on A record but the issue is on PTR record.
I can configure the following line:

_ptr.dekil.nl.  3600IN  PTR _81.99-129-109.adsl-dyn.isp.dekil.nl

It workswe can use "_"  in both sides.


But what is strange is that the following configuration do not work:

9.10.238.195.in-addr.arpa.   3600IN  PTR por_tal-bis.skynet.be.

"_" is not allowed

Is it due to extra check by bind when it sees it is an arpa zone so no  "_" is 
allowed?


Regards,

Carlos,


Sensitivity: Internal Use Only

-Original Message-
From: Ondřej Surý 
Sent: 17 February 2021 10:52
To: ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
Cc: Mark Andrews ; bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: underscore in A or PTR records

>
> On 17. 2. 2021, at 9:50, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>  wrote:
>
> The issue we face is that a telecom provider ask us to implement a PTR record 
> with a name like “example_try.net"

You are mixing the two things here. If the provider has asked you to create a 
PTR record, why do you keep trying to create a forward record? There’s some 
information missing somewhere.

Ondrej
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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Ondřej Surý
> 
> On 17. 2. 2021, at 9:50, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>  wrote:
> 
> The issue we face is that a telecom provider ask us to implement a PTR record 
> with a name like “example_try.net"

You are mixing the two things here. If the provider has asked you to create a 
PTR record,
why do you keep trying to create a forward record? There’s some information 
missing somewhere.

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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 17.02.21 09:41, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) wrote:

What do you mean with " absolutely no, but since underscore is not valid in hostname 
as per rfc1123, I don't recomment you to use it in hostnamed" ?


substitute the last word with "hostnames" (a mistype).

I mean that since rfc1123 prohibits using underscores in hostnames, you
should not try to use them in hostnames.

Othersise, you may expect different problems on different places, and
whenever you'll solve such problem, people can tell you it's your problem.


I tried with the following configuration in zone " dekil.nl " and bind do not 
accept it:


hello_mail2.dekil.nl. 3600IN  A   81.246.48.28

I have the following message error:

Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: /etc/bind/zones/master/dekil.nl:19: 
hello_mail2.dekil.nl: bad owner name (check-names)
Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: zone dekil.nl/IN: loading from master 
file /etc/bind/zones/master/dekil.nl failed: bad owner name (check-names)
Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: zone dekil.nl/IN: not loaded due to 
errors.


yes, exactly.


Sensitivity: Internal Use Only


this is really useless here, since you posted this to public mailing list.


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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 17.02.21 um 10:41 schrieb ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST):

Matus,

What do you mean with " absolutely no, but since underscore is not valid in hostname 
as per rfc1123, I don't recomment you to use it in hostnamed" ?


_ is not allowed in hostnames


I tried with the following configuration in zone " dekil.nl " and bind do not 
accept it:


hello_mail2.dekil.nl. 3600IN  A   81.246.48.28

I have the following message error:

Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: /etc/bind/zones/master/dekil.nl:19: 
hello_mail2.dekil.nl: bad owner name (check-names)
Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: zone dekil.nl/IN: loading from master 
file /etc/bind/zones/master/dekil.nl failed: bad owner name (check-names)
Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: zone dekil.nl/IN: not loaded due to 
errors


_ is not allowed in hostnames


https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1123
2.1  Host Names and Numbers

The syntax of a legal Internet host name was specified in RFC-952 
[DNS:4].  One aspect of host name syntax is hereby changed: the 
restriction on the first character is relaxed to allow either a letter 
or a digit.  Host software MUST support this more liberal syntax.


1. A "name" (Net, Host, Gateway, or Domain name) is a text string up to 
24 characters drawn from the alphabet (A-Z), digits (0-9), minus sign 
(-), and period (.)

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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald




Am 17.02.21 um 09:50 schrieb ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST):

Hello,

Thanks for these clarifications.
The issue we face is that a telecom provider ask us to implement a PTR record with a name 
like "example_try.net"


point out to that provider it's a bad idea and that they should know that!

i can't count how often developers wasted hours because they used a _ in 
the hostname and MSIE had strange cookie behavior with the illegal 
hostname at the final tests after development web applications on Firefox

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RE: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST)
Matus,

What do you mean with " absolutely no, but since underscore is not valid in 
hostname as per rfc1123, I don't recomment you to use it in hostnamed" ?

I tried with the following configuration in zone " dekil.nl " and bind do not 
accept it:


hello_mail2.dekil.nl. 3600IN  A   81.246.48.28

I have the following message error:

Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: /etc/bind/zones/master/dekil.nl:19: 
hello_mail2.dekil.nl: bad owner name (check-names)
Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: zone dekil.nl/IN: loading from master 
file /etc/bind/zones/master/dekil.nl failed: bad owner name (check-names)
Feb 17 10:40:41 dnszone904 named[1633]: zone dekil.nl/IN: not loaded due to 
errors.


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-Original Message-
From: bind-users  On Behalf Of Matus UHLAR - 
fantomas
Sent: 17 February 2021 09:53
To: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: underscore in A or PTR records

On 17.02.21 08:13, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) wrote:
>I face the following problem  ==> bind do not accept an A record with 
>underscore:
>
>Example: example_try   A1.2.3.4
>
>
>Same for a PTR:
>
>Example:   1.2.3.4   PTR   example_try
>
>
>Is it absolutely forbidden to have in such cases an '_'?

absolutely no, but since underscore is not valid in hostname as per rfc1123, I 
don't recomment you to use it in hostnamed.

>I know that it is possible for SRV or TXT records.

it's valid in DNS, but not in hostnames.  You can in fact disable checking but 
you may encounter problems with remote sites.

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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 17.02.21 08:13, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) wrote:

I face the following problem  ==> bind do not accept an A record with 
underscore:

Example: example_try   A1.2.3.4


Same for a PTR:

Example:   1.2.3.4   PTR   example_try


Is it absolutely forbidden to have in such cases an '_'?


absolutely no, but since underscore is not valid in hostname as per rfc1123,
I don't recomment you to use it in hostnamed.


I know that it is possible for SRV or TXT records.


it's valid in DNS, but not in hostnames.  You can in fact disable checking
but you may encounter problems with remote sites.

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RE: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST)
Hello,

Thanks for these clarifications.
The issue we face is that a telecom provider ask us to implement a PTR record 
with a name like "example_try.net"
We tried this configuration but BIND do not accept it.
The telecom provider complaints we can not make this DNS configuration and that 
it must be possible (for the moment they do not gave us examples to prove what 
they say).

So to be clear can we answer to this telecom provider that using a PTR with "_" 
is not possible and not RFC compliant? Or is there anything I miss?

Thanks in advance for your time.

Carlos,


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From: Mark Andrews 
Sent: 17 February 2021 09:28
To: ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: underscore in A or PTR records

The SRV and TXT records usage is depending on underscore not being part of a 
hostname.
The separator in hostname labels is dash.  e.g. my-host.example.net

_ssh._tcp.example.net SRV can be safely deployed because there are no legal 
hostnames starting with _ssh and _tcp.

Hostname (and mail domain) syntax is defined by RFC 952 as modified by RFC1123 
(allows labels to start with digits.

PTR records it depends on usage.

Mark

> On 17 Feb 2021, at 19:13, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>  wrote:
>
> Hello ,
>
> I face the following problem  è bind do not accept an A record with 
> underscore:
>
> Example: example_try   A1.2.3.4
>
>
> Same for a PTR:
>
> Example:   1.2.3.4   PTR   example_try
>
>
> Is it absolutely forbidden to have in such cases an '_'?
> I know that it is possible for SRV or TXT records.
>
>
> Thanks in advance to clarify the situation and sorry if this question has 
> already be asked.
>
> Carlos,
>
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Re: underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread Mark Andrews
The SRV and TXT records usage is depending on underscore not being part of a 
hostname.
The separator in hostname labels is dash.  e.g. my-host.example.net

_ssh._tcp.example.net SRV can be safely deployed because there are no legal 
hostnames
starting with _ssh and _tcp.

Hostname (and mail domain) syntax is defined by RFC 952 as modified by RFC1123 
(allows
labels to start with digits.

PTR records it depends on usage.

Mark

> On 17 Feb 2021, at 19:13, ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello ,
>  
> I face the following problem  è bind do not accept an A record with 
> underscore:
>  
> Example: example_try   A1.2.3.4
>  
>  
> Same for a PTR:
>  
> Example:   1.2.3.4   PTR   example_try
>  
>  
> Is it absolutely forbidden to have in such cases an ‘_’?
> I know that it is possible for SRV or TXT records.
>  
>  
> Thanks in advance to clarify the situation and sorry if this question has 
> already be asked.
>  
> Carlos,
>  
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underscore in A or PTR records

2021-02-17 Thread ONRUBIA AVILES Carlos (CCS/MST)
Hello ,

I face the following problem  ==> bind do not accept an A record with 
underscore:

Example: example_try   A1.2.3.4


Same for a PTR:

Example:   1.2.3.4   PTR   example_try


Is it absolutely forbidden to have in such cases an '_'?
I know that it is possible for SRV or TXT records.


Thanks in advance to clarify the situation and sorry if this question has 
already be asked.

Carlos,



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