Re: No cache for NS RR in public DNS

2010-10-15 Thread Niobos
On 2010-10-15 10:52, Tech W. wrote:
 Hello,
 
 like this domain:
 
 blogchina.org
 
 I can't get its NS RR in public DNS:
 
 dig blogchina.org ns @8.8.8.8
 
 get nothing.
From my perspective, blogchina.org has 12 authoritative name servers (as
reported by a0.org.afilias-nst.info).
ns1.dnspod.net.
ns1.qydns1.com.
ns2.qyinc.cn.
ns1.qydns2.com.
q3y1dns1.mydnspod.com.
ns6.dnspod.net.
ns1.qyinc.cn.
ns4.dnspod.net.
ns3.dnspod.net.
ns2.dnspod.net.
q3y1dns2.mydnspod.com.
ns5.dnspod.net.

If I request the NS records for blogchina.org there, none of them gives
an answer section; some (ns1.qydns1.com, ns2.qyinc.cn, ns1,qydns2.com)
even time out without any response.

Start by checking:
* if these are the correct servers? if not, you need to change them via
your registrar
* if these servers are configured to server your zone? most of them
return a SOA, so they seem to know about it
* if these servers have correct zone data? none of them returns NS records

Greets,
Niobos

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Re: No cache for NS RR in public DNS

2010-10-15 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 811222.51900...@web15706.mail.cnb.yahoo.com, Tech W. writes:
 Hello,
 
 like this domain:
 
 blogchina.org
 
 I can't get its NS RR in public DNS:
 
 dig blogchina.org ns @8.8.8.8
 
 get nothing.
 
 But it does work correctly.
 for example, query the record:
 
 dig udb.yy.blogchina.org
 
 works!

No. It's just that the lookup of udb.yy.blogchina.org does not
depend apon the presence of the blogchina.org ns records in the
zone.  The resolver uses the records from the org zone.  Only when
you explictly query for them do you notice their absence.

 How to setup Bind for this?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
   
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RE: No cache for NS RR in public DNS

2010-10-15 Thread Lightner, Jeff
You're saying its getting the records because they are cached at org? 

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In message 811222.51900...@web15706.mail.cnb.yahoo.com, Tech W.
writes:
 Hello,
 
 like this domain:
 
 blogchina.org
 
 I can't get its NS RR in public DNS:
 
 dig blogchina.org ns @8.8.8.8
 
 get nothing.
 
 But it does work correctly.
 for example, query the record:
 
 dig udb.yy.blogchina.org
 
 works!

No. It's just that the lookup of udb.yy.blogchina.org does not
depend apon the presence of the blogchina.org ns records in the
zone.  The resolver uses the records from the org zone.  Only when
you explictly query for them do you notice their absence.

 How to setup Bind for this?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
   
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Re: No cache for NS RR in public DNS

2010-10-15 Thread Tech W.


--- On Fri, 15/10/10, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote:

 From: Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org
 Subject: Re: No cache for NS RR in public DNS
 To: Tech W. tech...@yahoo.com.cn
 Cc: bind-us...@isc.org
 Received: Friday, 15 October, 2010, 9:21 PM
 
 In message 811222.51900...@web15706.mail.cnb.yahoo.com,
 Tech W. writes:
  Hello,
  
  like this domain:
  
  blogchina.org
  
  I can't get its NS RR in public DNS:
  
  dig blogchina.org ns @8.8.8.8
  
  get nothing.
  
  But it does work correctly.
  for example, query the record:
  
  dig udb.yy.blogchina.org
  
  works!
 
 No. It's just that the lookup of udb.yy.blogchina.org does
 not
 depend apon the presence of the blogchina.org ns records in
 the
 zone.  The resolver uses the records from the org
 zone.  Only when
 you explictly query for them do you notice their absence.
 

So, is that a bad setup for the zone without a NS record?

Thanks.


  
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Re: No cache for NS RR in public DNS

2010-10-15 Thread Mark Andrews

In message 912627.28306...@web15706.mail.cnb.yahoo.com, Tech W. writes:
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Firstly please get a mail client that does quoted-printable correctly.
The line break are supposed to be there.  Converting them to =A0
is wrong.  You are supposed to be able to read quoted-printable
with a non mime client.  The above is not really readable.  Please
file a bug report with the vendor of your email client.

Secondly, yes it is bad to setup a zone without NS records.  Named
will refuse to load such zones.

Mark
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