Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-14 Thread Fred Morris
On Mon, 14 Sep 2020, Mark Andrews wrote: [...] All the queries to the recursive server with this configuration not answered by the server will leak. The configuration needs “forward only;” to be added to prevent the leak. We see this all the time. zone “non-existant-tld” { type

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-13 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 13 Sep 2020, at 06:45, Fred Morris wrote: > > I'm a little confused by the "sky is falling" tone of all this. I'm > pretty sure that the browser fetish for "search and URLs in the same > box!" is pretty high up on the root server pain scale; on any given day > .belkin/.cisco can be one of

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-12 Thread Fred Morris
I'm a little confused by the "sky is falling" tone of all this. I'm pretty sure that the browser fetish for "search and URLs in the same box!" is pretty high up on the root server pain scale; on any given day .belkin/.cisco can be one of the top 10 NXDOMAIN TLDs (at least as of a couple of years

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-11 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Sep 2020, at 22:22, Rob McEwen wrote: > > On 9/11/2020 2:46 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> validate-except (I typo’d it the second time, unfortunately expect and >> except are both valid words). > > I got so far down the rabbit trail with your other points, somehow I missed > that.

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-11 Thread Rob McEwen
On 9/11/2020 2:46 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: validate-except (I typo’d it the second time, unfortunately expect and except are both valid words). I got so far down the rabbit trail with your other points, somehow I missed that. Thanks. This should solve my problem! If you actually used a

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-11 Thread Mark Andrews
validate-except (I typo’d it the second time, unfortunately expect and except are both valid words). https://downloads.isc.org/isc/bind9/9.16.6/doc/arm/Bv9ARM.pdf validate-except This specifies a list of domain names at and beneath which DNSSEC validation should not be performed, regardless

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Rob McEwen
Mark, You gave me the "let them eat cake" answer I anticipated. Also, this isn't fixing a problem that my services produce - it is preventing a problem that a potential MISTAKE from a large customer would cause - the type of mistake that is inevitable at some point, but likely short-lived.

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Sep 2020, at 15:04, Rob McEwen wrote: > > Mark, > > The whole usage of DNS by the anti-spam industry in our DNSBLs - is somewhat > a hack on the DNS system from the start - I guess if you think that is wrong, > maybe you should take that up with Paul Vixie? And Paul will tell you

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Rob McEwen
Mark, The whole usage of DNS by the anti-spam industry in our DNSBLs - is somewhat a hack on the DNS system from the start - I guess if you think that is wrong, maybe you should take that up with Paul Vixie? And the whole purpose for MANY of us DNSBLs using ".local" in the first place - was

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Sep 2020, at 11:13, Rob McEwen wrote: > > Mark, > > Most invaluement subscribers do direct queries - to hostnames that end with > my own valid domain names that don't have this DNSSEC issue - those are the > ONE ones that make use of public DNS and are broadcast across the internet.

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Rob McEwen
Mark, Most invaluement subscribers do direct queries - to hostnames that end with my own valid domain names that don't have this DNSSEC issue - those are the ONE ones that make use of public DNS and are broadcast across the internet. Our usage of ".local" zones for those who are RSYNC'ing

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Mark Andrews
.local is for mDNS (RFC 6762). Do not use it for other purposes as you are hijacking the namespace. The best solution is to NOT change the name of the zones from those that you use publicly. That way they have the correct DNSSEC chain of trust down from the root. If you want to use

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Jim Popovitch via bind-users
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 13:50 -0400, Jim Popovitch via bind-users wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 11:56 -0400, Rob McEwen wrote: > > I manage an anti-spam DNSBL and I've been running into an issue in recent > > years - that I'm FINALLY getting around to asking about. I just joined this > > list to

Re: rbldnsd and DNSSEC compatibility issues - any suggestions?

2020-09-10 Thread Jim Popovitch via bind-users
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 11:56 -0400, Rob McEwen wrote: > I manage an anti-spam DNSBL and I've been running into an issue in recent > years - that I'm FINALLY getting around to asking about. I just joined this > list to ask this question. Also, I checked the archives, but couldn't find an > answer