Re: [bitcoin-dev] Some real-world results about the current Segwit Discount

2017-05-10 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
I'm not advocating. I'm mediating. This is out of On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: > I highly disagree about the "not shit" part. You're advocating for > throwing away one of the key features of Segwit, something that is very > important for Bitcoin's long-term reliability

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Some real-world results about the current Segwit Discount

2017-05-10 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
I highly disagree about the "not shit" part. You're advocating for throwing away one of the key features of Segwit, something that is very important for Bitcoin's long-term reliability! If you think doing so is going to somehow help get support in a divided community, I don't understand how - m

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Some real-world results about the current Segwit Discount

2017-05-10 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
Jaja. But no shit. Not perfect maybe, but Bitcoin was never perfect. It has always been good enough. And at the beginning it was quite simple. Simple enough it allowed gradual improvements that anyone with some technical background could understand. Now we need a full website to explain an improvem

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Per-block non-interactive Schnorr signature aggregation

2017-05-10 Thread adiabat via bitcoin-dev
I messed up and only replied to Russel O'Connor; my response is copied below. And then there's a bit more. - Aha, Wagner's generalized birthday attack, the bane of all clever tricks! I didn't realize it applied in this case but looks like it in fact does. applies to this case. It would have

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Some real-world results about the current Segwit Discount

2017-05-10 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
I'm highly unconvinced of this point. Sure, you can change fewer lines of code, but if the result is, lets be honest, shit, how do you believe its going to have a higher chance of getting acceptance from the broader community? I think you're over-optimizing in the wrong direction. Matt On 05/09/1

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Per-block non-interactive Schnorr signature aggregation

2017-05-10 Thread Andrew Poelstra via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, May 09, 2017 at 09:59:06PM -0400, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I'm a bit amateur at this sort of thing, but let me try to argue that this > proposal is in fact horribly broken ;) > > Suppose Alice has some UTXO with some money Bob wants to steal. Grant me > that the public k