[bitcoin-dev] Eltoo / Anyprevout & Baked in Sequences

2021-07-07 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
I made a comment on https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/943#issuecomment-876034559 but it occurred to me it is more ML appropriate. In general, one thing that strikes me is that when anyprevout is used for eltoo you're generally doing a script like: ``` IF 10 CSV DROP 1::musigkey(As,Bs)

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Unlimited covenants, was Re: CHECKSIGFROMSTACK/{Verify} BIP for Bitcoin

2021-07-07 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
Hah -- ZmnSCPxj that post's a doozy -- but it more or less makes sense the argument you're making in favor of permitting recursion at the transaction level. One part that's less clear is if you can make a case against being recursive in Script fragments themselves -- ignoring bitcoin script for

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Unlimited covenants, was Re: CHECKSIGFROMSTACK/{Verify} BIP for Bitcoin

2021-07-07 Thread Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 9:12 AM Russell O'Connor wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:26 AM ZmnSCPxj wrote: > >> Good morning Russell, >> >> > Hi ZmnSCPxj, >> > >> > I don't believe we need to ban Turing completeness for the sake of >> banning Turing completeness. >> >> Well I believe we should

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Unlimited covenants, was Re: CHECKSIGFROMSTACK/{Verify} BIP for Bitcoin

2021-07-07 Thread Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 12:26 AM ZmnSCPxj wrote: > Good morning Russell, > > > Hi ZmnSCPxj, > > > > I don't believe we need to ban Turing completeness for the sake of > banning Turing completeness. > > Well I believe we should ban partial Turing-completeness, but allow total >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proof of reserves - recording

2021-07-07 Thread Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev
I wanted to relay an interesting related link that Melvin PMed me: https://petertodd.org/2016/commitments-and-single-use-seals @Aronesty Thanks, that system looks interesting, I'll have a closer look! @Voskuil I think we must disagree on at least one fundamental point. I'm finding myself

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Boost Bitcoin circulation, Million Transactions Per Second with stronger privacy

2021-07-07 Thread Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev
> As far as I know the “claw back” mechanism doesn’t exist in Bitcoin system, and probably most Bitcoiners won’t be agree on it. It certainly doesn't. And it would definitely be a hard sell. > It looks the miners still can abuse Sabu, but as I told before the miner or better say the mining pool

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Unlimited covenants, was Re: CHECKSIGFROMSTACK/{Verify} BIP for Bitcoin

2021-07-07 Thread Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev
Thanks for the clarifications Sanket and Russel! > OP_TWEAK Ah gotcha. I'm very much in support of recursive covenants. I was lead to them as a way to create more efficient and flexible wallet vaults. I actually wrote a proposal