Re: [bitcoin-dev] V3 Transactions are still vulnerable to significant tx pinning griefing attacks

2024-01-02 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Jan 02, 2024 at 11:12:05AM +, Gloria Zhao wrote: > Hi Peter, > > > You make a good point that the commitment transaction also needs to be > included > > in my calculations. But you are incorrect about the size of them. > > > With taproot and ephemeral anchors, a typical commitment

Re: [bitcoin-dev] V3 Transactions are still vulnerable to significant tx pinning griefing attacks

2024-01-02 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Jan 02, 2024 at 11:12:05AM +, Gloria Zhao wrote: > Hi Peter, > > > You make a good point that the commitment transaction also needs to be > included > > in my calculations. But you are incorrect about the size of them. > > > With taproot and ephemeral anchors, a typical commitment

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Swift Activation - CTV

2024-01-02 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Jan 2, 2024, 8:52 AM Michael Folkson wrote: > In the interests of time I'll just pick two to respond to but I don't > agree with any of your points. > > > Covenants allow trustless utxos sharing and also are needed for > vaulting. The numerous use cases are documented, built out and on

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Swift Activation - CTV

2024-01-02 Thread Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
In the interests of time I'll just pick two to respond to but I don't agree with any of your points. > Covenants allow trustless utxos sharing and also are needed for vaulting. The > numerous use cases are documented, built out and on signet to my knowledge. > Check

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinal Inscription Size Limits

2024-01-02 Thread Brad Morrison via bitcoin-dev
Erik, Fees AKA costs are the best spam control system and I thank you for highlighting that. However, I think that bitcoin has yet to receive sufficient payments usage to challenge credit card payments system when it comes to a race to the bottom in terms of processing transactional fees. In

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinal Inscription Size Limits

2024-01-02 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
> > . > > In the USA, where I am, large businesses like UBER, Lyft, and many major > telecom, cable, & electric utilities process huge volumes of regular and > irregular credit card payments on a monthly basis. Almost none oft hose > transactions are completed in bitcoin. > Unfortunately block

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Swift Activation - CTV

2024-01-02 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
1. Claiming that something that isn't activated (unusable) isn't used as a non-argument 2. Talking about activation methods is orthogonal. Bip8 is fine. 3. Covenants allow trustless utxos sharing and also are needed for vaulting. The numerous use cases are documented, built out and on signet

Re: [bitcoin-dev] V3 Transactions are still vulnerable to significant tx pinning griefing attacks

2024-01-02 Thread Gloria Zhao via bitcoin-dev
Hi Peter, > You make a good point that the commitment transaction also needs to be included > in my calculations. But you are incorrect about the size of them. > With taproot and ephemeral anchors, a typical commitment transaction would have > a single-sig input (musig), two taproot outputs, and

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Swift Activation - CTV

2024-01-02 Thread Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
Hi Erik > So what exactly are the risks of CTV over multi-sig? It is a strange comparison. Multisig is active onchain and is being used today for all sorts of things including Lightning and setups that address risk of single key loss or malicious signing. When discussing risks of CTV there are