Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] CheckTemplateVerify Does Not Scale Due to UTXO's Required For Fee Payment

2024-01-30 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 05:07:16AM +, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > On Tuesday, January 30th, 2024 at 4:38 AM, Peter Todd > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 04:12:07AM +, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > > > > > Peter Todd proposes to sign multiple versions of

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] CheckTemplateVerify Does Not Scale Due to UTXO's Required For Fee Payment

2024-01-29 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 05:17:04AM +, ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > > I should note that under Decker-Russell-Osuntokun the expectation is that > > both counterparties hold the same offchain transactions (hence why it is > > sometimes called "LN-symmetry"). > > However, there are two

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] CheckTemplateVerify Does Not Scale Due to UTXO's Required For Fee Payment

2024-01-29 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
> I should note that under Decker-Russell-Osuntokun the expectation is that > both counterparties hold the same offchain transactions (hence why it is > sometimes called "LN-symmetry"). > However, there are two ways to get around this: > > 1. Split the fee between them in some "fair" way. >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] CheckTemplateVerify Does Not Scale Due to UTXO's Required For Fee Payment

2024-01-29 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Tuesday, January 30th, 2024 at 4:38 AM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 04:12:07AM +, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > > > Peter Todd proposes to sign multiple versions of offchain transactions at > > varying feerates. > > However, this proposal

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] CheckTemplateVerify Does Not Scale Due to UTXO's Required For Fee Payment

2024-01-29 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 04:12:07AM +, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > Peter Todd proposes to sign multiple versions of offchain transactions at > varying feerates. > However, this proposal has the issue that if you are not the counterparty > paying for onchain fees (e.g. the original acceptor of the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] CheckTemplateVerify Does Not Scale Due to UTXO's Required For Fee Payment

2024-01-29 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Michael et al, > > I assume that a CTV based LN-Symmetry also has this drawback when compared to > an APO based LN-Symmetry? In theory at least an APO based LN-Symmetry could > change the fees in every channel update based on what the current market fee > rate was at the time of