Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread odinn via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/19/2015 04:06 AM, Jorge Timón wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:14 PM, odinn odinn.cyberguerri...@riseup.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firstly, XT is controversial, not uncontroversial; XT it's just a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
odinn via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-08-19 07:25 寫到: The big problem is BIP101 being deployed as a Schism hardfork. This is certainly a problem. No, BitcoinXT won't become a Schism hardfork, or may be just for a few days, at most. There is one, and only one scenario that BitcoinXT will win:

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:25 PM, odinn odinn.cyberguerri...@riseup.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/19/2015 04:06 AM, Jorge Timón wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:14 PM, odinn odinn.cyberguerri...@riseup.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash:

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Tier Nolan via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:22 PM, jl2012 via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Will the adoption of BitcoinXT lead by miners? No, it won't. Actually, Chinese miners who control 60% of the network has already said that they would not adopt XT. So they must not be the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Danny Thorpe danny.tho...@gmail.com wrote: How do big-block testnet nodes running this 6382 rev recognize each other on the peer network? If I set up a 2MB block limit testnet node and -addnode another 2MB block testnet node (say, JornC's node) to it, and my

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread odinn via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firstly, XT is controversial, not uncontroversial; Second, this issue has been beat to death quite a while ago https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/899#issuecomment-117 815987 Third, it poses major risks as a non-peer reviewed alt with

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:14 PM, odinn odinn.cyberguerri...@riseup.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Firstly, XT is controversial, not uncontroversial; XT it's just a software fork. BIP101 (as currently implemented in Bitcoin XT) is a Schism hardfork (or an altcoin),

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:34 PM, jl2...@xbt.hk wrote: You misunderstand my intention. The experiment is not about a random hardfork. It's about a block size increase hardfork. One of your goals is show the world that reaching consensus for a Bitcoin hardfork is possible, right? BIP99 can

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:54 AM, jl2012 via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: As I understand, there is already a consensus among core dev that block size should/could be raised. The remaining questions are how, when, how much, and how fast. These are the questions for

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Danny Thorpe via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Ya, so? All that means is that the experiment might reach the hard fork tipping point faster than mainnet would. Verifying that the network can handle such transitions, and how larger

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-18 Thread Micha Bailey via bitcoin-dev
A smaller block size would make this a soft fork, as unupgraded nodes would consider the new blocks valid. It would only make things that were allowed forbidden, which is the definition of a soft fork. For a hard fork, you need to allow something that was previously invalid. On Tuesday, August

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-18 Thread Danny Thorpe via bitcoin-dev
Ya, so? All that means is that the experiment might reach the hard fork tipping point faster than mainnet would. Verifying that the network can handle such transitions, and how larger blocks affect the network, is the point of testing. And when I refer to testnet, I mean the public global

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-18 Thread Danny Thorpe via bitcoin-dev
Again, I'm not suggesting further testing in sterile environments. I'm suggesting testing on the public global testnet network, so that real-world hazards such as network lag, bandwidth constraints, traffic bottlenecks, etc can wreak what havoc they can on the proposed implementation. Also, a

[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-18 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
As I understand, there is already a consensus among core dev that block size should/could be raised. The remaining questions are how, when, how much, and how fast. These are the questions for the coming Bitcoin Scalability Workshops but immediate consensus in these issues are not guaranteed.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin is an experiment. Why don't we have an experimental hardfork?

2015-08-18 Thread Ahmed Zsales via bitcoin-dev
- You need to take into account the reward halving, likely to be in 3Q2016. Forks and reward halving at the same time would possibly be a bad combination. - The original proposed date for the fork was December 2015. It was pushed back to January as December is a busy period for a lot of people