Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-29 Thread Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 14:48:42 CEST Martin Stolze wrote: > Your > conception holds under the presupposition that all action of > hash-power is motivated by 'rational' economic interest. This shows you didn't think this through, instead, the concept holds true when there is even a small

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-29 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
f the least appealing scenarios. >> >> > There are some terrible pitfalls with both of these methods. [...] >> >> Spot on, that's why this should receive some attention before it >> becomes urgent. I think there is much more to it that we are missing >> at the mo

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-29 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
Ignoring your contradiction of the political and economical. Your conception holds under the presupposition that all action of hash-power is motivated by 'rational' economic interest. Specifically a very strict distinction between the profitable and the unprofitable; namely to include transactions

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-29 Thread Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Monday, 20 March 2017 21:12:36 CEST Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Background: The current protocol enables two parties to transact > freely, however, transaction processors (block generators) have the > authority to discriminate participants arbitrarily. Nag; they don’t have any

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-29 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
As I alluded to before, certain language lends itself to simple conclusions. You say that "miner" have simple profit motives and compete only in their respective domains. But what is "mining"? It is the process of acquiring a part of the block space. He who acquires that space can decide over

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-28 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
Block Producers"... which does not imply that they do all of the necessary > "transaction processing": that all users should be fine with running > Electrum wallets or even SPV clients. They produce blocks, but its still up > to other users in the network to do "

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-27 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
ts.linuxfoundation.org < > bitcoin-dev-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org> on behalf of Martin Stolze > via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2017 1:15 PM > *To:* praxeology_guy > *Cc:* bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-27 Thread praxeology_guy via bitcoin-dev
to accept particular blocks. Cheers, Praxeology Guy ---- Original Message Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering Local Time: March 25, 2017 12:15 PM UTC Time: March 25, 2017 5:15 PM From: mar...@stolze.cc To: praxeology_guy <praxeology_...@protonmail.com> bitcoin-dev@li

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-25 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
Users could then chose who > they want to relay to. Miners would be incentivized to not relay higher fee > transactions, because they would want to keep them to themselves for higher > profits. > > Cheers, > Praxeology Guy > > > ---- Original Message > Subject:

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-24 Thread praxeology_guy via bitcoin-dev
transactions, because they would want to keep them to themselves for higher profits. Cheers, Praxeology Guy Original Message Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering Local Time: March 22, 2017 12:48 PM UTC Time: March 22, 2017 5:48 PM From: bitcoin-dev

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-22 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
Profit=10 This could motivate transaction processors to behave in accordance with user interest, or am I missing something? Best Regards, Martin > From: Tim Ruffing <tim.ruff...@mmci.uni-saarland.de> > To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-21 Thread Tim Ruffing via bitcoin-dev
(I'm not a lawyer...) I'm not sure if I can make sense of your email. On Mon, 2017-03-20 at 20:12 +, Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev wrote: > As a participant in the economy in general and of Bitcoin in > particular, I desire an ability to decide where I transact. The > current state of

[bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-20 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
Hi Team, I would like to find out what the current consensus on transaction tiering is. Background: The current protocol enables two parties to transact freely, however, transaction processors (block generators) have the authority to discriminate participants arbitrarily. This is well known and