Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-08 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 02:31:13PM +0930, Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >> It's totally a political approach, to avoid facing the awkward question. > >> Since I believe that such prevaricating makes a future crisis less > >> predictable, I am forced to conclude that it makes bitcoin less

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-07 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
On 4/7/21 01:01, Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev wrote: Ryan Grant writes: On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:58 PM Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev What ST is saying is that a strategy of avoiding unnecessary risk is stronger than a strategy of brinkmanship when brinkmanship wasn't our only option.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-07 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
You may activate any time you want. e From: bitcoin-dev On Behalf Of Claus Ehrenberg via bitcoin-dev Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 6:42 AM To: Rusty Russell ; Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes As a user, I think

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-07 Thread Claus Ehrenberg via bitcoin-dev
As a user, I think it's very important for me to know if Taproot is eventually coming or not. So why not make it so that if _either_ miners _or_ users decide for Taproot, it will activate no matter what. Accepting a chain split is imo the fairest way to 'resolve the conflict' (it can't be resolved

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-06 Thread Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev
Ryan Grant writes: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:58 PM Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> The core question always was: what do we do if miners fail to activate? >> >> [...] Speedy Trial takes the approach that "let's pretend we didn't >> *actually* ask [miners]". > > What ST is saying is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-06 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:58 PM Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev wrote: > The core question always was: what do we do if miners fail to activate? > > [...] Speedy Trial takes the approach that "let's pretend we didn't > *actually* ask [miners]". What ST is saying is that a strategy of avoiding

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-04-06 Thread Rusty Russell via bitcoin-dev
Jeremy via bitcoin-dev writes: > We had a very productive meeting today. Here is a summary of the meeting -- > I've done my best to > summarize in an unbiased way. Thank you to everyone who attended. > > 1. On the use of a speedy trial variant: > > - There are no new objections to speedy trial

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-03-25 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
I think it's fine to move the dates back two weeks in that case; it was unclear from the meeting transcript if people thought release would be may 1st or startheight, but via parameter flexibility we can shift everything back 2 weeks if we want. W.r.t. the selection of MTP there's no funny

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-03-25 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 08:46:54PM -0700, Jeremy via bitcoin-dev wrote: > 3. Parameter Selection > - There is broad agreement that we should target something like a May 1st > release, with 1 week from rc1 starttime/startheight, > and 3 months + delta stoptime/stopheight (6 retargetting

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-03-24 Thread Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
> Your response strikes me as ingenuine with regards to "other projects" as it > is a project I understand you to be one of the parties spearheading. I think > it's misleading to not clarify that in your response. I support Taproot activation and any project that can help bring that about. As I

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-03-24 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
Michael, Your response strikes me as ingenuine with regards to "other projects" as it is a project I understand you to be one of the parties spearheading. I think it's misleading to not clarify that in your response. Your NACK on MTP based ST does not have any merit. The only argument you made

Re: [bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-03-24 Thread Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
Thanks for this Jeremy. I agree with the vast majority of this. For those that missed yesterday's meeting the meeting log is here: http://gnusha.org/taproot-activation/2021-03-23.log Jeremy also livestreamed the meeting on his Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/960346848 On the choice

[bitcoin-dev] March 23rd 2021 Taproot Activation Meeting Notes

2021-03-23 Thread Jeremy via bitcoin-dev
We had a very productive meeting today. Here is a summary of the meeting -- I've done my best to summarize in an unbiased way. Thank you to everyone who attended. 1. On the use of a speedy trial variant: - There are no new objections to speedy trial generally. - There is desire to know if Rusty