Hi Benjamin,
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 02:01:58PM +0200, Benjamin via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> How do you know who is who online?
If a node is not online, then the payment can be cancelled and
re-routed.
> If Alice and Bob want to transact and haven't exchanged keys before
> they need public-key infr
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
wrote:
> The idea that Bitcoins very reason for existence is to avoid trusting anyone
> but yourself is something I've heard before, and I have to comment because it
> is a destructive thought. It is very much untrue because we don't li
On Monday 10. August 2015 22.17.52 Jorge Timón wrote:
> But I don't see how that is relevant, allowing trust to be involved in
> different ways is a feature, but it's optional.
Agreed.
> I think the point "you don't need to trust anyone to use Bitcoin" remains.
yes, and thats fine.
The argumen
I think the point "you don't need to trust anyone to use Bitcoin" remains.
I don't think that is a true statement. Users need to trust the mining
system is working as intended. Users also need to trust the developers
to a certain extent. It is about levels of trust and how much you need
to
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
wrote:
> On Saturday 8. August 2015 12.54.36 Adam Back wrote:
>> On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander wrote:
>> > I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with
>> > trusted middleman.
>> That's basically the
On Saturday 8. August 2015 12.54.36 Adam Back wrote:
> On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander wrote:
> > I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with
> > trusted middleman.
> That's basically the definition of off-chain. When we say MtGox or
> coinbase etc are off-chain
and so IMO there are no good proposals to make Bitcoin scale (if
> > that is possible at all).
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
> > > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >
> > I didn&#x
Trust takes many different forms and is not a binary function.
Many Bitcoiners have a rather unusual notion of trust. While many state
the established financial systems cannot be trusted they imply that many
within the Bitcoin world need to be trusted. There are some very
irresponsible and
On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander wrote:
> I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with trusted
> middleman.
That's basically the definition of off-chain. When we say MtGox or
coinbase etc are off-chain transactions, that is because a middle man
has the private ke
<mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase
> with trusted middleman.
>
> So, no, that's not what I meant.
>
> Sent on the go, excuse the brevity. Original Message From: Adam
&
not what I meant.
>
> Sent on the go, excuse the brevity.
> Original Message
> From: Adam Back
> Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:50
> To: Thomas Zander
> Cc: Bitcoin Dev
> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust
>
> If you are saying that some people are happy trusting other
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On 08/08/2015 01:10 PM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> On Friday 7. August 2015 23.53.43 Adam Back wrote:
>> On 7 August 2015 at 22:35, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
>>> As we concluded in our previous email, the need to run a node
>>> is inv
I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with trusted
middleman.
So, no, that's not what I meant.
Sent on the go, excuse the brevity.
Original Message
From: Adam Back
Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:50
To: Thomas Zander
Cc: Bitcoin Dev
Subject: Re: [b
If you are saying that some people are happy trusting other people,
and so would be perfectly fine with off-chain use of Bitcoin, then we
agree and I already said that off-chain use case would be a
constructive thing for someone to improve scale and interoperability
of in the post you are replying
On Friday 7. August 2015 23.53.43 Adam Back wrote:
> On 7 August 2015 at 22:35, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
> > As we concluded in our previous email, the need to run a node is inversely
> > proportional to the ability (or willingness) to trust others.
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> > And lets face it, practically everyon
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