Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-20 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote: It is just that no one else is reckless enough to bypass the review process I keep seeing this notion crop up. I want to kill this idea right now: - There were months of public discussion leading to up

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-20 Thread Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev
It is just that no one else is reckless enough to bypass the review process I keep seeing this notion crop up. I want to kill this idea right now: - There were months of public discussion leading to up the authoring of BIP 101, both on this mailing list and elsewhere. - BIP 101 was

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:22:32AM -0700, Simon Liu via bitcoin-dev wrote: Olivier Janssens claims that one of your colleagues is asking for Gavin to be removed from his position. Is this true?

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Santino Napolitano via bitcoin-dev
Gavin has been very clear about the fact that he's on vacation. I'm not sure what you want Mike to say. It's obvious the Bitcoin Core developer pitchforks are out for him so there isn't really anything he can possibly say which will be constructively received on this highly adversarial and

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: Normal GitHub users submitting pull-reqs to Bitcoin Core can't delete other users' comments on their own pull-reqs... IMO that's an abuse of the pull-req process, and in turn, Gavin Andresens's commit access rights for the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
On Aug 19, 2015, at 12:12 PM, Santino Napolitano via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Gavin has been very clear about the fact that he's on vacation. I'm not sure what you want Mike to say. It's obvious the Bitcoin Core developer pitchforks are out for him so

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread odinn via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 re. Gavin and commit access On 08/19/2015 12:15 PM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Peter Todd p...@petertodd.org wrote: Normal GitHub users submitting pull-reqs to Bitcoin Core can't delete other users' comments

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
Unfortunately, I think that from a PR angle, removing Gavin from commit privileges right now will probably play into his hand. Sadly. Say what you will regarding Gavin and Mike’s technical merits, they’ve been quite clever on the PR front. Framing this issue as “obstructionism from the core

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: [...] core devs” and relying on the fact that many people out there can’t seem to tell the difference between a source code fork and a blockchain fork. And this is precisely why we

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
[cross-posted to libbitcoin] On 08/19/2015 03:00 PM, Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Eric Lombrozo elombr...@gmail.com wrote: But the consensus code should NOT be subject to the same commit policies…and we should make an effort to separate the two clearly.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
By the way, now that I remember why I subscribed to the libbitcoin list I want to share it with you. I met Amir Taaki in person in a spanish hackmeeting and had the chance to talk a lot with him, very interesting person whose input in this blocksize matter I would greatly appreciate. He explained

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Simon Liu via bitcoin-dev
Yes, you're right, the Bitcoin Foundation is facing many challenges, but that's an entirely different discussion. The question in hand is this: was the request to remove Gavin made by an individual of their own volition, reflecting their own personal opinion, or was it made on behalf of the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Eric Voskuil e...@voskuil.org wrote: [cross-posted to libbitcoin] On 08/19/2015 03:00 PM, Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Eric Lombrozo elombr...@gmail.com wrote: But the consensus code should NOT be subject to the same

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Eric Lombrozo elombr...@gmail.com wrote: But the consensus code should NOT be subject to the same commit policies…and we should make an effort to separate the two clearly. And we should find a way to communicate the difference succinctly and clearly to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-19 Thread GC via bitcoin-dev
Can this anecdote and similar be removed from the mailing list. Possibly one of the reddits is a better place for this kind of thing. On 20/8/15 7:56 am, Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: By the way, now that I remember why I subscribed to the libbitcoin

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-18 Thread Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev
Am 18.08.2015 um 11:15 schrieb Warren Togami Jr.: I honestly don't understand your position, but I get the sense that you are suggesting Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return if he wanted to be active in development again? Who am I? Personally I have zero objection if the creator steps in. I

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-18 Thread Anon Moto via bitcoin-dev
And this is how the powers that be compromise bitcoin. They can't stop TCP/IP, but they sure can take over the development team. It's a good thing that no one from the CIA has had any conversations with anyone from the bitcoin development team. Phew... On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Oliver

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-18 Thread odinn via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The XT Fork (better said, a POS alt*) and those behind it make not even a pretense to work through process involved with bitcoin developmen t. (*This is not intended as a slight toward any other alts, as here in this post I am focusing solely on XT.)

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-18 Thread Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev
I honestly don't understand your position, but I get the sense that you are suggesting Satoshi wouldn't be welcome to return if he wanted to be active in development again? Warren On Aug 17, 2015 1:38 PM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Warren Togami

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev
Am 15.08.2015 um 19:43 schrieb Satoshi Nakamoto via bitcoin-dev: I have been following the recent block size debates through the mailing list. I had hoped the debate would resolve and that a fork proposal would achieve widespread consensus. However with the formal release of Bitcoin XT

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Aug 17, 2015 1:40 PM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: That made it to the news and is now discussed in various places. Could you please delete Satoshis old email addresses from the list and block them? Sorry to post this to all members but I

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev
Am 17.08.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Jorge Timón: On Aug 17, 2015 1:40 PM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: That made it to the news and is now discussed in various places. Could you please delete Satoshis

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev
At http://media.scmagazine.com/documents/127/virtual_currency_rules_31557.pdf, section 200.3(c)(2) lists consumers that utilize Virtual Currency solely for the purchase or sale of goods or services or for investment purposes as Persons [who] are exempt from the licensing requirements. Who else is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Would we discuss his posting if he would not claim to be Satoshi? There are a lot of smart people on this list, which publish occasionally quite useful ideas. I actually learned

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 18:32 schrieb Jorge Timón: On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Jorge Timón: On Aug 17, 2015 1:40 PM, Oliver Egginger via

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: To avoid such discussions. You seem to be assuming that there is specific reason to believe the message is unauthentic. This is not the case. Contrary to other poster's claims, if the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev
In times of controversy or flamewar on the Linux kernel mailing list, occasionally fake Linus Torvalds or other spoofed posts would appear. It is the nature of email. Just ignore it. ___ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev
Am 17.08.2015 um 18:32 schrieb Jorge Timón: On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Jorge Timón: On Aug 17, 2015 1:40 PM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: On 15 August 2015 at 18:43, Satoshi Nakamoto via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: I suspect we need a better incentive for users to run nodes instead of relying

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: enter the mining game. A bit like making P2Pool the one and only pool allowed on the network. Thats been suggested, though scalablity reasons make this hard: in the P2Pool design

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Oliver Egginger bitc...@olivere.de wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Jorge Timón: On Aug 17, 2015 1:40 PM, Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: That made it to the news

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork

2015-08-17 Thread Oliver Egginger via bitcoin-dev
Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Warren Togami Jr.: This bitcoin-dev list restarted with an empty subscriber list on June 21st, 2015. So whoever posted from sato...@vistomail.com mailto:sato...@vistomail.com subscribed and verified the address recently. Do you propose that we manually approve