Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2020-02-22 Thread nopara73 via bitcoin-dev
> It seems to me that most users will not have nearly the same output of "around 1 BTC" While that would be true out of context, it depends on how you interpret it and they interpret it really broadly: " One input might be 0.03771049 BCH; the next might be 0.24881232 BCH, etc. " > anyway if you

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2019-12-29 Thread Yuval Kogman via bitcoin-dev
Hi, On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 at 10:23, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > > Indeed, this is a problem still of equal-valued CoinJoin. > In theory the ZeroLink protocol fixes this by strongly constraining user > behavior, but ZeroLink is not "purely" implemented in e.g. Wasabi: Wasabi > still allows spending pre- and

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2019-12-29 Thread Lucas Ontivero via bitcoin-dev
This idea is not similar to the one in the knapsack paper because this one is based only in the computational complexity of finding partitions that match the outputs. However, and except in rare cases, there is only one valid partition (solution) for each output, it doesn't introduce any

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2019-12-29 Thread Yuval Kogman via bitcoin-dev
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019, 05:31 Yuval Kogman, wrote: > n = # inputs + # indistinguishable outputs > sorry, this is really wrong (although of no consequence to my arguments) - n is the smaller of these two numbers, not their sum. ___ bitcoin-dev mailing

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2019-12-29 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Yuval, > Additionally (though is a broader criticism of CoinJoin based privacy and not > specific to unequal amounts, and in particular refers to ZmnSCPxj's assertion > of 0 linkability) I am very worried that perspectives that focus on > linkability information revealed by a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2019-12-28 Thread Yuval Kogman via bitcoin-dev
Hi, On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 01:29, nopara73 via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: I haven't read the whole thing in detail (and fwiw, I don't think I will by this point), but I do want to respond to section about the combinatorics as well as the proof, since both the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Non-equal value CoinJoins. Opinions.

2019-12-28 Thread Ethan Heilman via bitcoin-dev
I'm only going to talk about cashfusion and not the knapsack paper. The language they use to describe the cashfusion protocol is very broad and could describe many things. Because it is hard so vague I don't want to dismiss the cashfusion approach out of hand. For instance they say: "inputs of