[bitcoin-dev] How DECOR++ can eradicate selfish mining incentive by design

2015-08-16 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
In these shocking forking times, nothing more relaxing that to immerse yourself in a pure technical reading about cryptocurrency design, letting aside Bitcoin politics for a moment. This message is about cryptocurrencies design in general, so you're free to skip my message if you think it will

[bitcoin-dev] Humans constantly arguing about bsize proves that computers should decide

2015-08-16 Thread xor via bitcoin-dev
Hey folks, so you've been stressed with arguing about what to do with the block size for months now :( Why not realize that the unfruitful permanent need for administrators to tweak a magical, god-given (= Satoshi-given) constant is a *strong* indicator for something which should be delegated

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev
Hi Eric, Sorry you feel that way. I devoted a big part of the article to trying to fairly represent the top 3 arguments made, but ultimately I can't link to a clear statement of what Bitcoin Core thinks because there isn't one. Some people think the block size should increase, but not now, or not

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On 16 August 2015 at 15:49, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Sorry you feel that way. I devoted a big part of the article to trying to fairly represent the top 3 arguments made, but ultimately I can't link to a clear statement of what Bitcoin Core thinks

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev
Hear hear Tamas, I agree. I personally prefer to use the only-bigblocks branch and not XT with all its features - but as I am not mining that doesn't mean much anyhow. Nevertheless I am happy to be able to publicly proclaim my opinion that the block size should be raised asap. Thank you for

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
Hi Tamas Do you find BIP 101, BIP 102, BIP 103 and the flexcap proposal deserving of equal consideration? Just curious because of your post. Will you be interested to participate in the BIP review process and perhaps attend the workshop on Bitcoin scaling announced here recently? Adam On 16

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
Hi Adam, I welcomed XT for its declared focus on usability with current means. I think there is also more room for non-consenus relevant P2P protocol flavors than a single code base can accommodate. XT is also as Jeff just tweeted a relief valve. It became important, that Bitcoin is able to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
Being a bitcoin software developer an entrepreneur for years I learned that success is not a direct consequence of technology and is not inevitable. BitcoinXT manifesto (https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt#the-xt-manifesto) should resonate with many fellow entrepreneurs. I applaud Mike and

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
Levin, it is a complicated issue for which there isn't an easy answer. Part of the issue is that block size doesn't actually measure resource usage very reliably. It is possible to support a much higher volume of typical usage transactions than transactions specifically constructed to cause DoS

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Cameron Garnham via bitcoin-dev
Since it was a game theory analysis. I will not address your other comments. On 17/8/2015 7:22 AM, Andrew LeCody wrote: 4. Setup a fork of Bitcoin XT that allows people to easily make a transaction only on the XT fork (while leaving the original BTC coins untouched). I doubt this is even

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Andrew LeCody via bitcoin-dev
Cam, your scenario makes no sense. 1. Spoil the ballot. Have Bitcoin Core propagate the Bitcoin XT version string. 2. Encourage all miners to false vote for the Bitcoin XT fork. This would obliterate any confidence in Bitcoin Core. I seriously doubt anyone would actually be ok with a pull

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev
minimum an interesting topic. - Traffic levels may not produce a minimum size block - Miners can always collude to produce a lowered maximum block size, a sort of minimum maximum On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Hey

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Patrick Strateman via bitcoin-dev
The first question to answer here is simple: What value would there be in requiring a minimum block size? I see no value. On 08/16/2015 05:30 PM, Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev wrote: minimum an interesting topic. - Traffic levels may not produce a minimum size block - Miners can always

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-16 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Thanks to mining centralization, such attempts won't be successful. Asking mining pools to mine spoofing blocks in their real name is even harder than asking them to run the real BitcoinXT Node count is always manipulable, there is nothing new. People running this will only be interpreted as

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Andrew LeCody via bitcoin-dev
PS: I consider this attempt at takeover about as foul as it gets. The equivalent of repeating a referendum until a yes is obtained: the reasonable reaction to this is actively blocking said referendum. There was a fair play alternative which is voting through coinbase scriptSig like plain 8MBers

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
[cross-posted to libbitcoin] I applaud this effort not for the merits of the hard fork but on the effects of the code fork. We have been witnessing the self-destruction of Bitcoin's central authority. This is a necessary outcome. Understandably, many are concerned that if consensus settles on a

[bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-16 Thread Julie via bitcoin-dev
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