Re: [bitcoin-dev] Improving RBF policy

[Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev]

> Is it still verboten to acknowledge that RBF is normal behavior and
disallowing it is the feature, and that feature is mostly there to appease
some people's delusions that zeroconf is a thing? It seems a bit overdue to
disrespect the RBF flag in the direction of always assuming it's on.

If you're thinking about the opt-in flag, not the RBF rules, please see
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-June/019074.html
The latest state of the discussion is here :
https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-10-21.log
A gradual, multi-year deprecation sounds to be preferred to ease adaptation
of the affected Bitcoin applications.

Ultimately, I think it might not be the last time we have to change
high-impact tx-relay/mempool rules and a more formalized Core policy
deprecation process would be good.



Le lun. 31 janv. 2022 à 18:15, Bram Cohen via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :

> Gloria Zhao wrote:
>
>>
>> This post discusses limitations of current Bitcoin Core RBF policy and
>> attempts to start a conversation about how we can improve it,
>> summarizing some ideas that have been discussed. Please reply if you
>> have any new input on issues to be solved and ideas for improvement!
>>
>
> Is it still verboten to acknowledge that RBF is normal behavior and
> disallowing it is the feature, and that feature is mostly there to appease
> some people's delusions that zeroconf is a thing? It seems a bit overdue to
> disrespect the RBF flag in the direction of always assuming it's on.
>
>
>> - **Incentive Compatibility**: Ensure that our RBF policy would not
>>   accept replacement transactions which would decrease fee profits
>>   of a miner. In general, if our mempool policy deviates from what is
>> economically rational, it's likely that the transactions in our
>> mempool will not match the ones in miners' mempools, making our
>> fee estimation, compact block relay, and other mempool-dependent
>> functions unreliable. Incentive-incompatible policy may also
>> encourage transaction submission through routes other than the p2p
>> network, harming censorship-resistance and privacy of Bitcoin payments.
>>
>
> There are two different common regimes which result in different
> incentivized behavior. One of them is that there's more than a block's
> backlog in the mempool in which case between two conflicting transactions
> the one with the higher fee rate should win. In the other case where there
> isn't a whole block's worth of transactions the one with higher total value
> should win. It would be nice to have consolidated logic which handles both,
> it seems the issue has to do with the slope of the supply/demand curve
> which in the first case is gentle enough to keep the one transaction from
> hitting the rate but in the second one is basically infinite.
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Improving RBF policy

[Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev]

> On Jan 31, 2022, at 15:15, Bram Cohen via bitcoin-dev 
>  wrote:


…

> Is it still verboten to acknowledge that RBF is normal behavior and 
> disallowing it is the feature, and that feature is mostly there to appease 
> some people's delusions that zeroconf is a thing? It seems a bit overdue to 
> disrespect the RBF flag in the direction of always assuming it's on.

What flag?

>> - **Incentive Compatibility**: Ensure that our RBF policy would not
>>   accept replacement transactions which would decrease fee profits
>>   of a miner. In general, if our mempool policy deviates from what is
>> economically rational, it's likely that the transactions in our
>> mempool will not match the ones in miners' mempools, making our
>> fee estimation, compact block relay, and other mempool-dependent
>> functions unreliable. Incentive-incompatible policy may also
>> encourage transaction submission through routes other than the p2p
>> network, harming censorship-resistance and privacy of Bitcoin payments.
> 
> There are two different common regimes which result in different incentivized 
> behavior. One of them is that there's more than a block's backlog in the 
> mempool in which case between two conflicting transactions the one with the 
> higher fee rate should win. In the other case where there isn't a whole 
> block's worth of transactions the one with higher total value should win.

These are not distinct scenarios. The rational choice is the highest fee 
block-valid subgraph of the set of unconfirmed transactions, in both cases 
(within the limits of what is computationally feasible of course).

When collecting pooled txs the only issue is DoS protection, which is simply a 
question of what any given miner is willing to pay, in terms of disk space, to 
archive conflicts for the opportunity to optimize block reward.

> It would be nice to have consolidated logic which handles both, it seems the 
> issue has to do with the slope of the supply/demand curve which in the first 
> case is gentle enough to keep the one transaction from hitting the rate but 
> in the second one is basically infinite.
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