Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction fees for security

2022-07-12 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
BIP119, OP_CTV, allows value to be assigned in a predetermined tree of payments that confirms with a single output. This allows batched transactions in the predetermined tree (e.g. withdrawals from a centralized exchange) to be anchored in a way that disallows double-spending of the inputs, yet

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction fees for security

2022-07-12 Thread Peter via bitcoin-dev
>Probably the only thing Bitcoiners should do is to advertise this rather than >to make it some sort of secret Satoshi made this clear in the beginning that mining will trend to where energy is free. During this stage of bootstrapping we need a security budget to prevent nation state attacks.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction fees for security

2022-07-12 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
> > we can expect mining to transition to a public service from the current > for-profit business model > I get it now Game theory would predict all of the major players mining in the future will be large holders If you're holding a hundred Bitcoin you should take one, sell it for mining

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction fees for security

2022-07-12 Thread Peter via bitcoin-dev
The Bitcoin emission curve requires a 2x value increase per 210,000 blocks to maintain the existing security level. Transactions are practically irreversible when the value the miners expend (not receive) is greater than said transaction value. If you send 1000 gold grams of value in a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Security problems with relying on transaction fees for security

2022-07-12 Thread Bram Cohen via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 2:53 PM Peter Todd wrote: > > The only type of fee-smoothing scheme that is feasible is to smooth an > entirely > separate category of fees that are made mandatory. For example, you could > achieve the economic impact of inflation by having a fixed value*time > based fee