Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process

2015-08-12 Thread Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Your concern for adoption is valid yet there are a few assumptions in your discussion and they are a common thread in the current wave of bigger blocksize topics. 1) Supplying bigger blocks will meet the demand of more people: Anyone can transact

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process

2015-08-12 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Tuesday 11. August 2015 21.27.46 Jorge Timón wrote: Can we agree that the first step in any potentially bad situation is hitting the limit and then fees rising as a consequence? Fees rising due to scarcity has nothing to do with the problem. Its a consequence that is irrelevant to me. Bad

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process

2015-08-12 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Tuesday 11. August 2015 19.47.56 Jorge Timón wrote: On Aug 11, 2015 12:14 AM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev See my various emails in the last hour. I've read them. I have read gavin's blog posts as well, several times. I still don't see what else can we fear from not increasing the size

[bitcoin-dev] A summary list of all concerns related to not rising the block size

2015-08-12 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
I believe all concerns I've read can be classified in the following groups: 1) Potential indirect consequence of rising fees. - Lowest fee transactions (currently free transactions) will become more unreliable. - People will migrate to competing systems (PoW altcoins) with lower fees. 2)

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process

2015-08-12 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Wednesday 12. August 2015 10.51.57 Jorge Timón wrote: Personally I think its a bad idea to do write the way you do, which is that some people have to prove that bad things will happen if we don't make a certain change. It polarizes the discussion and puts people into camps. Peoplehave

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process

2015-08-12 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Wednesday 12. August 2015 10.51.57 Jorge Timón wrote: Personally I think its a bad idea to do write the way you do, which is that some people have to prove that bad things will

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process

2015-08-12 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Wednesday 12. August 2015 11.45.53 Jorge Timón wrote: This question had been dodged repeatedly (one more time in this last response). This last response had a very direct answer to your question, why do you think it was dodged? I wrote; To buy more time, get bigger blocks now. (quoted from

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A summary list of all concerns related to rising the block size

2015-08-12 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Wednesday 12. August 2015 12.28.39 Jorge Timón wrote: But let's just list the concerns first. Concerns? I have never heard of develop-by-concerns? Is that similar to fire fighting management? To that I have this reply; http://www.aleanjourney.com/2009/07/stop-fighting-fires.html Your

[bitcoin-dev] Voting (BIP-100) Question, Etc.

2015-08-12 Thread odinn via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Assuming some form of BIP 100 is a path which people may want to take, how and at what point do miners vote on this? Note: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/37943/bip-100-what-votes-are - -possible describes this somewhat, but is unclear as

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A summary list of all concerns related to rising the block size

2015-08-12 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
I have never heard of develop-by-concerns? Is that similar to fire fighting management? To that I have this reply; http://www.aleanjourney.com/2009/07/stop-fighting-fires.html A set of goals is needed and then you develop road maps. At that point you can propose specific changes that fit

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A summary list of all concerns related to not rising the block size

2015-08-12 Thread Elliot Olds via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Jorge Timón bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: I believe all concerns I've read can be classified in the following groups: 1) Potential indirect consequence of rising fees. I'd rephrase this as Consequences of high fees. It's the level of fees