Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ark: An Alternative Privacy-preserving Second Layer Solution

2023-05-26 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
"Alice runs an Ark service provider. Every 5 seconds, she broadcasts a new unconfirmed onchain transaction"Is that means each such instance adding ~15k vB to single block, i.e. every 10 minutes?In such case only 200 of such nodes - would utilize the whole tx throughput of Bitcoin?RegardsJaroslaw W

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Mempool spam] Should we as developers reject non-standard Taproot transactions from full nodes?

2023-05-12 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
W dniu 2023-05-11 13:57:11 użytkownik Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev napisał: > The current fees we are experiencing are still significantly lower than they > need to be if Bitcoin is going to survive in a post-subsidy era. If our > layered protocols can't survive the current fee

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Mempool spam] Should we as developers reject non-standard Taproot transactions from full nodes?

2023-05-09 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
Ok, I need to highlight one important thing well proven by this discussion (like it or not)... Not the spam itself is the real reason of feeling: "something must be done" The reason is: $30 fee per transaction (I hope you all agree) Let me paraphrase some quotes used in this discussion,

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-02 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
> to bring the equilibrium The important thing to highlight is that's not equilibrium between active users and miners. This needed in the future equilibrium is between: Active Users (transactional tax) vs Passive Users (i.e. stakeholders: inflation tax) And miners will only earn as much as

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2023-02-01 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
'only' in this sentence: "only two orders of magnitude higher" - is just like in this one: "We're raising $100,000 for the Tesla S and we're not short of $99,900, we're only short of $99,000..." W dniu 2023-01-22 16:13:42 użytkownik John Tromp via bitcoin-dev napisał: > > Right now the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2023-01-21 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
This is the phrase that should be recalled very often: "the total reward per transaction is Three Orders of Magnitude higher than typical fees. Sufficient fee increases to bring back hashing power in a scenario like that would cause Enormous Disruption to many things, including Lightning

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2023-01-07 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
> Anyways if it turns out that fees alone don't look like they're supporting > enough security, we have a good amount of time to come to that conclusion and > do something about it.  The worst-case scenario is that the first global hashrate regression may take place in 2028. Instead of the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2023-01-02 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
hat more or less total fees are collected each block to attract more or less miners.  On Tue, Dec 27, 2022, 09:41 Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev wrote: It seems like the more elegant solution could be by using a chainwork parameter instead. i.e. comparison just before halving - if the last 210,000 b

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2023-01-01 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
Is a storage fee averaged out over many future blocks - but not hardcoded value and regulated by a free market? The problem with demurrage I see is that the fee is taken when you spend. There is no additional income for miners if people are still hoarding. In tail emission even if people are

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2023-01-01 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
re or less miners, or it could adjust the block size up or down to change the fee market such that more or less total fees are collected each block to attract more or less miners.  On Tue, Dec 27, 2022, 09:41 Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev wrote: It seems like the more elegant solution could be

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2022-12-27 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
that income from transactions will takeover security support from block subsidy - accepting such proposal is like putting the money where the mouth is: this safety measure will never be triggered, then (no risk of fork) Best Regards Jaroslaw W dniu 2022-12-23 20:29:20 użytkownik Jaroslaw via

[bitcoin-dev] Pseudocode for robust tail emission

2022-12-23 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
Necessary or not - it doesn't hurt to plan the robust model, just in case. The proposal is: Let every 210,000 the code calculate the average difficulty of 100 last retargets (100 fit well in 210,000 / 2016 = 104.166) and compare with the maximum of all such values calculated before, every

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary

2022-08-18 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
Fortunately halving in 2020 will be non destructive because it looks like we will have higher difficulty in 2024 than in 2020. Let's assume the worst case scenario: after halving in 2024, we have regression of difficulty in 2028. Annual inflation rate in 2028 is 0.81%. Removal of halvings in

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary

2022-08-17 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
On one scale you puts the Trust to the large stakeholders (why we avoid plenty of small stakeholders, btw), and on the other side I put game theory and well defined Prisoner's Dilemma. Again: large stakeholders WILL NOT incentivised to mine, they will have the hundreds excuses why not to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary

2022-08-17 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
Hi, Peter Thanks to human nature, still: 1. Bitcoin large holders are able to communicate with each other... - and as a large bitcoin holder someone will very well understand that he should run his Antminers at loss for goodness of Bitcoin network security. But he won't communicate that - due

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary

2022-08-15 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
> New blog post: > https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflationary Tail emission is inevitable, Milton Friedman says... The key thing here in my opinion is to properly understand the seriousness of the situation. "There is no such thing as a free lunch" - is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary

2022-07-27 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
Let's assume fees don't compensate low block reward. And for example every 10 BTC holding needs to be secured by one Antminer S19 running. In an ideal world every large bitcoin holder will run proper amount of ASICs and run it at loss. The holders of less than 10 BTC - will organize "group

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary

2022-07-26 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
"large holders who perform zero transactions will still mine in order to preserve the value of the network" let me slightly modify the sentence below: "The Prisoner's Dilemma is a standard example of a game analyzed in game theory that shows why completely rational large holders might not