Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-17 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
The advantage is simple, access to more computational opportunities means a more scalable network and other reasons, including further options for optimization. There are also lots of reasons to believe a huge demand of unmet needs in this space. Why force people to mine Chia if they want to mine

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-17 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
I wouldn't fully discount general purpose hardware or hardware outside of the realm of ASICS. BOINC (https://cds.cern.ch/record/800111/files/p1099.pdf) implements a decent distributed computing protocol (granted it isn't a cryptocurrency), but it far computes data at a much cheaper cost compared

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-17 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Andrew, > I wouldn't fully discount general purpose hardware or hardware outside of the > realm of ASICS. BOINC (https://cds.cern.ch/record/800111/files/p1099.pdf) > implements a decent distributed computing protocol (granted it isn't a > cryptocurrency), but it far computes data

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-16 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Andrew, Looking over the text... > # I am looking towards integrating memory hard compatibility w/ the mining > algorithm. Memory hard computation allows for time and space complexity for > data storage functionality, and there is a way this can likely be implemented > without

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-16 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
Any proposed hard fork will wind up being some sort of Bitcoin sv thing no matter what you propose or no matter how awesome it is they'll be many people in the community who would prefer to continue business as usual. which I'd like to point out seems to be working very, very well. so you should

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-16 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-16 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-16 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-16 Thread Thomas Hartman via bitcoin-dev
red. > > From: bitcoin-dev on behalf > of Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev > Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2021 3:16 AM > To: Devrandom > Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion > Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoS

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-14 Thread LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoin-dev
rom: bitcoin-dev on behalf of Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2021 3:16 AM To: Devrandom Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining Also in regards to my other email, I forgo

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-14 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
I have added quite a bit more details. I haven't made any UML diagrams just yet. I did add a basic non-technical infographic though, and more then likely making a technical UML for the cryptographic mechanisms will be on my to-do list. I have also updated the terminology and added a bit more

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread email--- via bitcoin-dev
My mistake for thinking your text was generated text, and my humor was not meant to be directed at you, so apologies if you took it personally.  PS: The AI overlord is no joke Cheers, -Yancy On Saturday, March 13, 2021 18:11 CET, Lonero Foundation wrote:  Hi, no worries. I made the changes

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, no worries. I made the changes now in the GitHub repository and pull request. I'm hoping for a BIP # soon. Thanks for the feedback, and I guess the sense of humor. Best regards, Andrew On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, 10:45 AM yancy wrote: > Ok thanks. Using the correct terminology helps people

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread email--- via bitcoin-dev
My email was not intended as an insult.  Your proposal seemed a bit like gibberish and made some obvious mistakes as pointed out before (such as conflating secp256k1 with sha256), and so I was genuinely curious if you were a bot spamming the list.  Maybe a more interesting topic is, can GPT3

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread email--- via bitcoin-dev
I think Andrew himself is an algo.  The crypto training set must not be very good. Cheers, -Yancy On Friday, March 12, 2021 17:54 CET, Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev wrote:  Hi, I awkwardly phrased that part, I was referring to key validation in relation to that section as well as the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread yancy via bitcoin-dev
Ok thanks.  Using the correct terminology helps people understand what you're talking about and take you seriously. Cheers, -Yancy Mar 13, 2021 4:02:18 PM Lonero Foundation : > Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm and > key validation. I know hashing is for

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, I know the differences between the cryptographic hashing algorithm and key validation. I know hashing is for SHA, but was referring to asymmetric cryptography in regards to the key validation. I should have used a different term though instead of, "In regards to cryptographic hashing,", I

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Also, I already stated I was referring to signature validation cryptography in that aspect: https://wizardforcel.gitbooks.io/practical-cryptography-for-developers-book/content/digital-signatures/ecdsa-sign-verify-examples.html My BIP has a primary purpose in regards to what I want to develop

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-13 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, I also want to emphasize that my main point isn't just to create a BTC hardfork or become another Bitcoin Cash, Gold, or SV. The main point in regards to this BIP actually expands POW rather than replaces or creates an alternative. Many of the problems faced in regards to security in the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-12 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, I awkwardly phrased that part, I was referring to key validation in relation to that section as well as the hashing related to those keys. I might rephrase it. In regards to technical merit, the main purpose of the BIP is to get a sense of the idea. Once I get assigned a BIP draft #, I am

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-12 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
secp236k1 isn't a hashing algo. your BIP needs about 10 more pages and some degree of technical merit. i suggest you start here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_burn https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225690.0 proof-of-burn is a nice alternative to proof-of-work. i always suspected

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-11 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, I have submitted the BIP Pull Request here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1084 Hoping to receive a BIP # for the draft prior to development/reference implementation. Best regards, Andrew On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 6:40 PM Lonero Foundation wrote: > Hi, here is the list to the BIP

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-09 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, here is the list to the BIP proposal on my own repo: https://github.com/Mentors4EDU/bip-amkn-posthyb/blob/main/bip-draft.mediawiki Can I submit a pull request on the BIPs repo for this to go into draft mode? Also, I think this provides at least some more insight on what I want to work on.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Ricardo Filipe via bitcoin-dev
As said before, you are free to create the BIP in your own repository and bring it to discussion on the mailing list. then you can do a PR Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev escreveu no dia sábado, 6/03/2021 à(s) 08:58: > > I know Ethereum had an outlandishly large percentage of nodes running on

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
I know Ethereum had an outlandishly large percentage of nodes running on AWS, I heard the same thing is for Bitcoin but for mining. Had trouble finding the article online so take it with a grain of salt. The point though is that both servers and ASIC specific hardware would still be able to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
> A large portion of BTC is already mined through AWS servers and non-asic specific hardware anyways. A majority of them would benefit from a hybrid proof, and the fact that it is hybrid in that manner wouldn't disenfranchise currently optimized mining entities as well. My instincts tell me that

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-06 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, in regards to my research this is just one of my patents: https://patents.google.com/patent/CN110825707A This isn't related to this proposal but gives you a general depth of understanding in regards to the technology and field I'm working on in reducing redundancy and efficiency. You aren't a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
FYI it’s generally considered bad form repost a private thread, especially one you initiate. ... It’s typically more effective to generate some community support before actually submitting a BIP. Otherwise the process gets easily overwhelmed. This is likely why you aren’t getting a response.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, Eric. Chia's network is a bad example. They go after energy consumption in the wrong way entirely. True, it requires a comparable cost of hardware. I am trying to tackle cryptography in a way that goes much beyond that. Part of what I am doing includes lowering invalided proofs while trying to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Actually I mentioned a proof of space and time hybrid which is much different than staking. Sorry to draw for the confusion as PoC is more commonly used then PoST. There is a way to make PoC cryptographically compatible w/ Proof of Work as it normally stands:

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev
It is important to understand that it is critical for the work to be "useless" in order for the security model to be the same. If the work was useful it provides an avenue for actors to have nothing at stake when submitting a proof of work, since the marginal cost of block construction will be

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
Hi Andrew, Do you mean that you can reduce the cost of executing the cryptography at a comparable level of security? If so this will only have the effect of increasing the amount of it that is required to consume the same cost.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Also in regards to my other email, I forgot to iterate that my cryptography proposal helps behind the efficiency category but also tackles problems such as NP-Completeness or Halting which is something the BTC network could be vulnerable to in the future. For sake of simplicity, I do want to do

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hi, this isn't about the energy efficient argument in regards to renewables or mining devices but a better cryptography layer to get the most out of your hashing for validation. I do understand the arbitrariness of it, but do want to still propose a document. Do I use the Media Wiki format on

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 9:39 AM Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Hello, I want to start a new BIP proposal aiming to tackle some of > the energy efficiency issues w/ Bitcoin mining. Excuse my ignorance > given this is my first time making a BIP proposal, but is there a > specific format

[bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Consensus (hard fork) PoST Datastore for Energy Efficient Mining

2021-03-05 Thread Lonero Foundation via bitcoin-dev
Hello, I want to start a new BIP proposal aiming to tackle some of the energy efficiency issues w/ Bitcoin mining. Excuse my ignorance given this is my first time making a BIP proposal, but is there a specific format I need to follow? Do I just make a draft on my personal GitHub or need to attach