Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-06 Thread Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Miners can do this unilaterally maybe, if they are a closed group, based on the 51% rule. But aren't they using full nodes for propagation? In this sense, anyone can vote by coding.

[bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-06 Thread Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev
Miners can do this unilaterally maybe, if they are a closed group, based on the 51% rule. But aren't they using full nodes for propagation? In this sense, anyone can vote by coding. If and when we need to vote, a pair-wise runoff (condorcet method) will find an option that is championed by a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
On 4 August 2015 at 10:03, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: If you want to let a majority decide about economic policy of a currency, I suggest fiat currencies. They have been using this approach for quite a while, I hear. Nearly all the fiat

[bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
As now we have some concrete proposals (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009808.html), I think we should wrap up the endless debate with voting by different stakeholder groups. - Candidate proposals Candidate proposals must be

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Bitcoin's consensus rules are a consensus system What is your definition of consensus? Do you mean 100% agreement? Without a vote how do you know there is 100% (or whatever percentage) agreement? Find a solution that everyone agrees on, or don't. Who are the everyone? Pieter Wuille 於

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev
I would like to withdraw my proposal from your self-appointed vote. If you want to let a majority decide about economic policy of a currency, I suggest fiat currencies. They have been using this approach for quite a while, I hear. Bitcoin's consensus rules are a consensus system, not a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
As I mentioned, the candidate proposals must go through usual peer review process, which includes proper testing, I assume. Scaling down is always possible with softforks, or miners will simply produce smaller blocks. BIP100 has a scaling down mechanism but it still requires miners to vote so