Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-10 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: On Saturday 8. August 2015 12.54.36 Adam Back wrote: On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander tho...@thomaszander.se wrote: I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-10 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
I think the point you don't need to trust anyone to use Bitcoin remains. I don't think that is a true statement. Users need to trust the mining system is working as intended. Users also need to trust the developers to a certain extent. It is about levels of trust and how much you need to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-10 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Monday 10. August 2015 22.17.52 Jorge Timón wrote: But I don't see how that is relevant, allowing trust to be involved in different ways is a feature, but it's optional. Agreed. I think the point you don't need to trust anyone to use Bitcoin remains. yes, and thats fine. The argument

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: The idea that Bitcoins very reason for existence is to avoid trusting anyone but yourself is something I've heard before, and I have to comment because it is a destructive thought. It is

[bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Friday 7. August 2015 23.53.43 Adam Back wrote: On 7 August 2015 at 22:35, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev As we concluded in our previous email, the need to run a node is inversely proportional to the ability (or willingness) to trust others. [] And lets face it, practically everyone

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
If you are saying that some people are happy trusting other people, and so would be perfectly fine with off-chain use of Bitcoin, then we agree and I already said that off-chain use case would be a constructive thing for someone to improve scale and interoperability of in the post you are replying

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev
I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with trusted middleman. So, no, that's not what I meant. Sent on the go, excuse the brevity.    Original Message   From: Adam Back Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:50 To: Thomas Zander Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/2015 01:10 PM, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev wrote: On Friday 7. August 2015 23.53.43 Adam Back wrote: On 7 August 2015 at 22:35, Thomas Zander via bitcoin-dev As we concluded in our previous email, the need to run a node is inversely

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Benjamin via bitcoin-dev
. Original Message From: Adam Back Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:50 To: Thomas Zander Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust If you are saying that some people are happy trusting other people, and so would be perfectly fine with off-chain use of Bitcoin, then we agree and I already

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread s7r via bitcoin-dev
not what I meant. Sent on the go, excuse the brevity. Original Message From: Adam Back Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:50 To: Thomas Zander Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust If you are saying that some people are happy trusting other people, and so would be perfectly fine

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
Trust takes many different forms and is not a binary function. Many Bitcoiners have a rather unusual notion of trust. While many state the established financial systems cannot be trusted they imply that many within the Bitcoin world need to be trusted. There are some very irresponsible

Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust

2015-08-08 Thread Benjamin via bitcoin-dev
on the go, excuse the brevity. Original Message From: Adam Back Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2015 09:50 To: Thomas Zander Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust If you are saying that some people are happy trusting other people, and so would be perfectly fine with off-chain use